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Two Spirit 08-11-2016 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1728724)
Are you really disappointed or are you being sarcastic? If you support Trump, you're a sad excuse for a human being and you should feel bad about supporting a racist, sexist, lunatic.

More sarcastic than disappointed. I like some of the things he says, but he's proven over and over that he can't keep his mouth shut and will spout off about anything, no matter who he offends.

Frownland 08-11-2016 04:59 PM

This latest stream of comments and such makes me think Trump is trying to get himself out of this mess.

djchameleon 08-11-2016 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1728842)
This latest stream of comments and such makes me think Trump is trying to get himself out of this mess.

I want to feel like he thinks he can win by saying anything he wants. He's just in it to win and doesn't care what he says really.

He's just a salesman and he's saying the things that people want to hear to vote against their own self interest.

The republican party always does that and I don't really understand how. They are able to get poor people to vote against their own self interest.

Goofle 08-12-2016 05:21 AM

It's just a shame that Trump's weird ramblings are going to enable another criminal warlord to enter that White House.

Key 08-12-2016 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1729095)
It's just a shame that Trump's weird ramblings are going to enable another criminal warlord to enter that White House.

We're ****ed either way.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 09:45 AM

Hey, all of a sudden I'm not able to see videos here. What gives?

Tristan_Geoff 08-12-2016 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729166)
Hey, all of a sudden I'm not able to see videos here. What gives?

Alright, so me and Qwertyy aren't the only ones.

Key 08-12-2016 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729166)
Hey, all of a sudden I'm not able to see videos here. What gives?

For whatever reason, i was able to see them on my phone, and apparently a tablet works as well. But i'm in the same boat when it comes to a browser.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1729095)
It's just a shame that Trump's weird ramblings are going to enable another criminal warlord to enter that White House.

Getting kind of sick of hearing this ****. With an incredible amount of scrutiny on her for the last 20 years no-one has come up with anything to actually charge her with. 8 GOP led committees spend $7 million bucks and came up with nothing about Benghazi. She's got more political experience than probably any candidate in my lifetime and she's well regarded around the world by our allies.

8 years first lady of Arkansas
8 years first lady of the USA
8 years senator of New York
4 years secretary of state

Lesser public figures with a ton less scrutiny have been charged and convicted over the past 20 years. She's been under the biggest microscope with an entire political establishment foaming at the mouth to destroy her and yet here she is.

Enough already with the hyperbole. Criminal warlord? Really?

Blank. 08-12-2016 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729171)
For whatever reason, i was able to see them on my phone, and apparently a tablet works as well. But i'm in the same boat when it comes to a browser.

.

Tristan_Geoff 08-12-2016 10:18 AM

Maybe this site's switching to mobile.

Key 08-12-2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729172)
Getting kind of sick of hearing this ****. With an incredible amount of scrutiny on her for the last 20 years no-one has come up with anything to actually charge her with. 8 GOP led committees spend $7 million bucks and came up with nothing about Benghazi. She's got more political experience than probably any candidate in my lifetime and she's well regarded around the world by our allies.

8 years first lady of Arkansas
8 years first lady of the USA
8 years senator of New York
4 years secretary of state

Lesser public figures with a ton less scrutiny have been charged and convicted over the past 20 years. She's been under the biggest microscope with an entire political establishment foaming at the mouth to destroy her and yet here she is.

Enough already with the hyperbole. Criminal warlord? Really?

She's still corrupt and she'll lie all the way to the bank until it gets her the election.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729184)
She's still corrupt and she'll lie all the way to the bank until it gets her the election.

In other words, she's a politician. Got it.

Key 08-12-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729186)
In other words, she's a politician. Got it.

Not really my point. It's not like she was under investigation for no reason. There are reasons, and the fact that she was able to lie her way out of them is enough reason for me not to vote for her. The people that are voting for her are blind.

Frownland 08-12-2016 10:38 AM

Chula is a sheep with the added bonus of having a huge crush on Hillary. We'll never convince him that she has any kind of flaw.

Key 08-12-2016 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1729199)
Chula is a sheep with the added bonus of having a huge crush on Hillary. We'll never convince him that she has any kind of flaw.

That's a sad life to live.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1729199)
Chula is a sheep with the added bonus of having a huge crush on Hillary. We'll never convince him that she has any kind of flaw.

Lesser of two evils man. The other options are to vote for someone who doesn't stand a chance or to stay home. I'm gonna vote.

She may be the biggest bitch in the world with a ton of skeletons but she's been a successful politician.

Frownland 08-12-2016 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729223)
Lesser of two evils man. The other options are to vote for someone who doesn't stand a chance or to stay home. I'm gonna vote.

She may be the biggest bitch in the world with a ton of skeletons but she's been a successful politician.

No, it'd be a lesser of two evils for you if you would ever entertain the notion that Hillary is evil.

Key 08-12-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729223)
Lesser of two evils man. The other options are to vote for someone who doesn't stand a chance or to stay home. I'm gonna vote.

She may be the biggest bitch in the world with a ton of skeletons but she's been a successful politician.

The fact that we even have to decide between two evils should show you how ****ed the political process is. But of course, the minute a potential third party candidate worthy of my vote shows up, nobody pays attention.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729184)
She's still corrupt and she'll lie all the way to the bank until it gets her the election.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729186)
In other words, she's a politician. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1729228)
No, it'd be a lesser of two evils for you if you would ever entertain the notion that Hillary is evil.

I get it. Bottom line is someone's going to be president for the next 4 years and will be making decisions that may impact my life and savings, as well as the life of my kids. This time around she just happens to be the best pick.

And whole evil thing is just more hyperbole. Ted Bundy was evil.

Frownland 08-12-2016 11:25 AM

So is Hillary. Vote for a third party that better represents your interests than becoming a willing slave to the system. It's not lesser of two evils. It's a monopoly of evil that's tricked you into thinking you have a choice by offering two "options".

The Batlord 08-12-2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729172)
Getting kind of sick of hearing this ****. With an incredible amount of scrutiny on her for the last 20 years no-one has come up with anything to actually charge her with. 8 GOP led committees spend $7 million bucks and came up with nothing about Benghazi. She's got more political experience than probably any candidate in my lifetime and she's well regarded around the world by our allies.

8 years first lady of Arkansas
8 years first lady of the USA
8 years senator of New York
4 years secretary of state

Lesser public figures with a ton less scrutiny have been charged and convicted over the past 20 years. She's been under the biggest microscope with an entire political establishment foaming at the mouth to destroy her and yet here she is.

Enough already with the hyperbole. Criminal warlord? Really?

http://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i...J.-Simpson.jpg

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8 years first lady of Arkansas
8 years first lady of the USA

8 years senator of New York
4 years secretary of state
Being a wife is not political experience. nb4 you give me some lame married people joke.

Key 08-12-2016 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729242)
I get it. Bottom line is someone's going to be president for the next 4 years and will be making decisions that may impact my life and savings, as well as the life of my kids. This time around she just happens to be the best pick.

And whole evil thing is just more hyperbole. Ted Bundy was evil.

Yes, and a better life for the next generation of kids is not up to choosing between two evils. It's about teaching them the freedom of choice and thought when two examples are not good. Teaching people to focus more on a third party candidate is actually better for the political system, because it can potentially end the split between two parties, especially if the third party candidate believes in things on both sides.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1729244)
So is Hillary. Vote for a third party that better represents your interests than becoming a willing slave to the system. It's not lesser of two evils. It's a monopoly of evil that's tricked you into thinking you have a choice by offering two "options".

Exactly this.

Goofle 08-12-2016 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1729244)
So is Hillary. Vote for a third party that better represents your interests than becoming a willing slave to the system. It's not lesser of two evils. It's a monopoly of evil that's tricked you into thinking you have a choice by offering two "options".

:bowdown:

djchameleon 08-12-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1729095)
It's just a shame that Trump's weird ramblings are going to enable another criminal warlord to enter that White House.

Trump and Hillary are both pretty much the same. I don't know why you are holding Trump up on a pedestal like he's any different than she is as far as being corrupt evil assholes.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729184)
She's still corrupt and she'll lie all the way to the bank until it gets her the election.

Doesn't deny her political experience and how successful she is though.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1729255)
Being a wife is not political experience. nb4 you give me some lame married people joke.

She was more than just a wife though as the first lady. When you are first lady there is shit that you can get done and that's how she gained her political experience. I do agree with you generally being a wife isn't but the first lady titles holds a different position than just wife. Some first ladies choose to use it as a platform for whatever agenda they have while others squander the opportunity and as you say "just be a wife".

Key 08-12-2016 02:21 PM

^her success is based on corruption and lies. I don't see how that's a positive.

djchameleon 08-12-2016 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729343)
^her success is based on corruption and lies. I don't see how that's a positive.

It's a positive because she can actually get things done and accomplished.

That was the downfall of Bernie and his gullible policies that he wanted to try to push through.

The Batlord 08-12-2016 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1729342)
She was more than just a wife though as the first lady. When you are first lady there is shit that you can get done and that's how she gained her political experience. I do agree with you generally being a wife isn't but the first lady titles holds a different position than just wife. Some first ladies choose to use it as a platform for whatever agenda they have while others squander the opportunity and as you say "just be a wife".

Potentially, but being a First Lady in and of itself is meaningless. If Chula can tell me how she used all that time as the Governor's/President's arm "candy" to further her political experience, then he's free. Either way she's still got years more experience than Trump, but this is really more about Chula spewing useless Facebook bait.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1729244)
Vote for a third party that better represents your interests.

Might as well stay home. Same as throwing your vote away on someone who doesn't have a hope in hell. Someday you will grow up and understand this.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1729255)
Being a wife is not political experience.

Being a 'first' wife is a political experience. She was most likely one of his closest advisers for those 8 years.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729266)
Yes, and a better life for the next generation of kids is not up to choosing between two evils. It's about teaching them the freedom of choice and thought when two examples are not good. Teaching people to focus more on a third party candidate is actually better for the political system.

If a third part did well enough in the primaries and I agreed with their values, and I think I wouldn't be tossing my vote in the toilet, I'd vote for them. Hasn't happened yet. The two party system is here to stay for a number of reasons.

The two party system governs themselves. Gives themselves the power.

People love the two sided fighting and bickering that happens every election cycle between red and blue. It's like a drug in many ways.

Us vs. them. Up vs. down. Left vs. right. Yankees vs. Red Sox. Ali vs. Frazier. Bird vs. Magic. People love Mano Y Mano.

Goofle 08-12-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1729342)
Trump and Hillary are both pretty much the same. I don't know why you are holding Trump up on a pedestal like he's any different than she is as far as being corrupt evil assholes.

I've stated several times that Trump is a ridiculous candidate. The fact that he and Hillary are in the running is a farce. But I like Trump more than her and he would strike less fear in me if I were an American.

Key 08-12-2016 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1729355)
I've stated several times that Trump is a ridiculous candidate. The fact that he and Hillary are in the running is a farce. But I like Trump more than her and he would strike less fear in me if I were an American.

Um.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1729346)
President's arm "candy".

Lots of first ladies fit this description. But.....

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When Bill Clinton took office as president in January 1993, Hillary Rodham Clinton became the First Lady of the United States, and her press secretary reiterated that she would be using that form of her name. She was the first first lady to hold a postgraduate degree and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. She was also the first to have an office in the West Wing of the White House in addition to the usual first lady offices in the East Wing. She was part of the innermost circle vetting appointments to the new administration and her choices filled at least eleven top-level positions and dozens more lower-level ones. After Eleanor Roosevelt, Clinton is regarded as the most openly empowered presidential wife in American history.


The Batlord 08-12-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729350)
Might as well stay home. Same as throwing your vote away on someone who doesn't have a hope in hell. Someday you will grow up and understand this.

Might as well not vote as vote, at least in an election with over a hundred million participants while living in California. Your input is meaningless. You have no voice. You could be a gun-toting Trump fan, but to the political parties you'd essentially still be a liberal since you live in California. Your only voice is in the collective shouting of all of the other people who didn't vote Republican (who might as well have their right to vote stripped for all the good it does them).

Why even leave the house on election day except to vote for local officials? What purpose does it serve?

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Being a 'first' wife is a political experience. She was most likely one of his closest advisers for those 8 years.
Maybe she was. Got proof?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729358)
Lots of first ladies fit this description. But.....

Was that so hard?

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1729359)

Why even leave the house on election day except to vote for local officials?

You answered your own question.


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Maybe she was. Got proof?
See my previous post.

Frownland 08-12-2016 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729350)
Might as well stay home. Same as throwing your vote away on someone who doesn't have a hope in hell. Someday you will grow up and understand this.

Change is difficult so **** trying? Lame. I feel like this election is a bit different tbh or I'd generally agree with you.



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Being a 'first' wife is a political experience. She was most likely one of his closest advisers for those 8 years.
Nah. Give us something more solid than conjecture.



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If a third part did well enough in the primaries and I agreed with their values, and I think I wouldn't be tossing my vote in the toilet, I'd vote for them. Hasn't happened yet. The two party system is here to stay for a number of reasons.

The two party system governs themselves. Gives themselves the power.

People love the two sided fighting and bickering that happens every election cycle between red and blue. It's like a drug in many ways.

Us vs. them. Up vs. down. Left vs. right. Yankees vs. Red Sox. Ali vs. Frazier. Bird vs. Magic. People love Mano Y Mano.
And it's stupid and needs to change.

The Batlord 08-12-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729360)
You answered your own question.

Then why do you give a flying **** about Hillary v. Trump? As far as being a Californian goes your decision has already been made. Kick back and quit worrying about any of it cause your state will go Democrat with 100% certainty.

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See my previous post.
See my edit.

Key 08-12-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729350)



If a third part did well enough in the primaries and I agreed with their values, and I think I wouldn't be tossing my vote in the toilet, I'd vote for them. Hasn't happened yet. The two party system is here to stay for a number of reasons.

The two party system governs themselves. Gives themselves the power.

People love the two sided fighting and bickering that happens every election cycle between red and blue. It's like a drug in many ways.

Us vs. them. Up vs. down. Left vs. right. Yankees vs. Red Sox. Ali vs. Frazier. Bird vs. Magic. People love Mano Y Mano.

So, you won't give a third party the chance to do well, you'll wait until they've done well enough to vote for them. And instead of helping that cause, you'll instead throw your vote towards someone who is corrupt and you know is a bad vote. Yeah, that makes way more sense than trying to change the game when both candidates are ****.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729367)
So, you won't give a third party the chance to do well, you'll wait until they've done well enough to vote for them. And instead of helping that cause, you'll instead throw your vote towards someone who is corrupt and you know is a bad vote. Yeah, that makes way more sense than trying to change the game when both candidates are ****.

I don't agree that she's totally ****. I think she'll work on policy that will help me and my ideologies.

Guys, don't preach to me about this stuff. You're wasting your breath.

Go vote third party all you want. I really don't give two ****s.

Lucem Ferre 08-12-2016 03:56 PM

Trump is going to win.

Anybody notice that the 'Republicans' that support Trump are actually more Liberal and how they are now starting to slander the Liberals by saying they are going to take our guns? People are retarded. America is a pathetic country of under educated simpletons and that's why Trump is doing well because he is the face of America.

Key 08-12-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1729378)
Trump is going to win.

Anybody notice that the 'Republicans' that support Trump are actually more Liberal and how they are now starting to slander the Liberals by saying they are going to take our guns? People are retarded. America is a pathetic country of under educated simpletons and that's why Trump is doing well because he is the face of America.

I hate Trump and I also hate that I agree with this 100%.


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