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Old 08-05-2015, 12:08 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Bernie Sanders: Just how far will the socialist vote go in the United States?

Its hard not to dislike Bernie Sanders, even if you think his economic & tax polices would be a disaster for the United States, you cannot deny the fact that he appears to possess what few politicians have, integrity, honesty, and a willingness to stand against the lobbyists & the interests of wall street.

However the question has to be asked, just how far will the socialist vote go in the U.S.?

We have seen this surge before when Ralph Nader ran for President in 2000, who despite his popularity in the polls during the election received less than 3% of the vote.

In fairness, many democrats switched over to Gore at the last minute in order to vote for the lesser of two evils, but with Sanders running in the primaries, we might get a more accurate assessment of just how far the socialist vote goes within the Democratic party, especially if the Hillary email scandal starts to damage her run.

Here are some of the current challenges for Sanders....

1) Sanders has trouble appealing to centrists within the party with moderates viewing him just as unfavorably as favorably....

Bernie Sandersís limited appeal ó even to Democrats - The Washington Post

2) As of yet, he has a limited appeal amongst low income voters, particularly in minority communities, & this is where it gets interesting, because you would think this is where the hard left vote would come from, but it does not. In fact, outside of the African American vote, Obama who was viewed to the left of Clinton also had trouble picking up moderate votes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/up...abt=0002&abg=0

Which begs the question? Is this just a question of education? social values? or is it because low income voters don't want to take the chance with an economic platform that could hurt them the most via a slowdown?

In other words how far will the socialist vote go in the US?

To be fair Sanders is not a socialist, he does not advocate for nationalization of industry, (though he does advocate for worker co-ops) but he is a strong social democrat and pump and prime Keynesian, here are some links to his policies.

Agenda for America: 12 Steps Forward

https://berniesanders.com/issues/
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:52 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Bernie Sanders: Just how far will the socialist vote go in the United States?

Its hard not to dislike Bernie Sanders, even if you think his economic & tax polices would be a disaster for the United States, you cannot deny the fact that he appears to possess what few politicians have, integrity, honesty, and a willingness to stand against the lobbyists & the interests of wall street.

However the question has to be asked, just how far will the socialist vote go in the U.S.?

We have seen this surge before when Ralph Nader ran for President in 2000, who despite his popularity in the polls during the election received less than 3% of the vote.

In fairness, many democrats switched over to Gore at the last minute in order to vote for the lesser of two evils, but with Sanders running in the primaries, we might get a more accurate assessment of just how far the socialist vote goes within the Democratic party, especially if the Hillary email scandal starts to damage her run.

Here are some of the current challenges for Sanders....

1) Sanders has trouble appealing to centrists within the party with moderates viewing him just as unfavorably as favorably....

Bernie Sandersís limited appeal ó even to Democrats - The Washington Post

2) As of yet, he has a limited appeal amongst low income voters, particularly in minority communities, & this is where it gets interesting, because you would think this is where the hard left vote would come from, but it does not. In fact, outside of the African American vote, Obama who was viewed to the left of Clinton also had trouble picking up moderate votes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/up...abt=0002&abg=0

Which begs the question? Is this just a question of education? social values? or is it because low income voters don't want to take the chance with an economic platform that could hurt them the most via a slowdown?

In other words how far will the socialist vote go in the US?

To be fair Sanders is not a socialist, he does not advocate for nationalization of industry, (though he does advocate for worker co-ops) but he is a strong social democrat and pump and prime Keynesian, here are some links to his policies.

Agenda for America: 12 Steps Forward

https://berniesanders.com/issues/
I'm pretty willing to give this a guy a chance. To me there's nothing wrong with the government willing to help us out as much as possible and to stop the rich from getting richer, and to end this bogus health care system, and to make college free, and for the minimum wage to be $15. Shit all that sounds great!
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I'm pretty willing to give this a guy a chance. To me there's nothing wrong with the government willing to help us out as much as possible and to stop the rich from getting richer, and to end this bogus health care system, and to make college free, and for the minimum wage to be $15. Shit all that sounds great!
I like Bernie Sander as well, I think he would do his best to change the culture of campaign corruption and lobbyism in the United States.

Although I am not a fan of deficit spending, I also think he would have the guts to enact a large enough stimulus to get the economy roaring, worked for FDR & economists like Paul Krugman has been screaming for one for years.

In the long run though Americans would have to ask themselves if they would want to become the United States of Europe. Germany and France both have much lower annual GDP growth rates than the US, so it would mean a higher cost of living and inevitably ceding the world stage as the global superpower to China.

So for me, the ultimate swing voter, I'm routing for another candidate at the moment.
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Old 08-05-2015, 07:42 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Hmmm this email scandal is starting to worry me, I thought for sure Hillary Clinton was going to be crowned the next President but now....not so sure.

Hillary Clinton violated government policy over emails, says judge | US news | The Guardian

This is worrisome for because the world's leading economy has been in a funk for the last 16 years with two Presidents (Obama/Bush) that have had pretty much the worst GDP growth rates since Herbert Hoover.

In contrast, Bill Clinton & the roaring 90's was one of the best. Of course Obama utilized a lot of the Clinton team, but we need to get a Larry Summers back in there...or a Trump.

Can't trust an autocratic nation like China, they have no idea how free markets operate, and European Union is a bloated mess. Cmon, get it together US.
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and so it begins....

Does Secret Meeting Signal Biden-Warren Ticket?

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If Biden chooses to run it looks like he could be the new frontrunner. In addition to Obama giving him his blessing, this came out the other day.

White House won't rule out Obama primary endorsement | TheHill

While Hillary continues to slump in the polls over the email scandal Biden is accelerating.

Poll: Biden outperforms Hillary in general election; Trump leads GOP field - Nick Gass - POLITICO
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