Trollheart

My main question though has not been addressed. I never expected the vote to go any other way, yet I'd still say this is hypocritical of the Tories given their lambasting of Labour over Iraq but anyway.... how is this going to make Britain safer? How can he even make that claim? When Britain went to war against Germany, Churchill didn't sugarcoat it: he said it would be tough, dark days, nothing to offer you but blood and tears etc. Yet Cameron is telling his people that Britain will be safer now that they have joined in the bombing of Syria. Where's the logic in that? Where's the proof?

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Nameless

Stopping ISIS from growing in influence will probably make some places somewhat safer. Not many people seem to respect the fact that ISIS like, controls territory, they collect taxes, direct traffic, have kind of an economy, stuff like that. It's exactly like fighting a country right now. There are actual places to bomb for reasons outside of "they might be in that cave".

Trollheart

Yes,but they have already admitted that this offensive will NOT stop IS. Maybe had he said "it's the first step in making Britain safer", possibly. But what he said is, to me, very disingenuous and is obviously calculated to tell his people yes we're doing the right thing and you'll be safer because of it, while there is no empirical evidence to back that up.

Back to WWII: Churchill could have said this, as if Britain had not gone to war with its allies behind it, the Nazis would have (and did) swarmed across Europe and eventually reached Britain. Yes, that might happen at some point in the future with ISIS, but by then EVERYONE would be at war with them and nobody could be said to be safe(r).

I think it was the wrong thing to say. I know he doesn't want to panic anyone, but a more honest (oh stop it, you're killing me!) declaration would have been "We may be risking our safety but this is the right thing to do, and in the long run, if we achieve our objectives, we will be safer."

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RoxyRollah

At some point tho if all over the world ppl are fed up with your radical Muslim antics and **** starting you are gonns get some very powerful enemies....My country well our commander and chief is a pussy but I support my European brethren...Why havent we hit the red button yet?

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Chula Vista

He may be reluctant to get a bunch of young kids killed in ground combat but he's been more than focused on chopping off the major limbs. Again, how do you go to war against an ideology that's spread across the planet like a virus?

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Trollheart

Steve Earle! Hermano!

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Chula Vista

Ya, very poignant stuff. Rich man's war indeed.

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The Batlord

"The red button"?

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Chula Vista

Period?

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”