The IDIOTIC new North Carolina Gender law

Paul Smeenus · 04-08-2016, 06:55 PM

My first reaction, other than "OMFG are they SERIOUS??!?" is; precisely how are they planning to enforce this? I mean think about that.

Lets say you're a Trans-Male.

Are you making things more comfortable for ANYBODY by sending this person to a ladies room?

Discuss

**Janszoon** · 04-08-2016, 07:27 PM

Let's not forget about the idiotic Mississippi law as well.

Paul Smeenus · 04-08-2016, 07:55 PM

^ I haven't, I just see the so-called Bathroom Bill as being particularly...problematic.

Black Francis · 04-08-2016, 11:52 PM

What the hell.. it's like that south park episode is happening in real life.

im gonna take the conservative side on this one, it makes sense to me that if you're biologically born a man you should use the men's bathroom even if you identify as a woman. I don't get why this is an issue, i don't get why using the bathroom has to be a statement on your sexual identity or preference. for practical purposes, it's best we stick with the biological requirement rule.

bob_32_116 · 04-09-2016, 02:12 AM

I'm not gonna take the conservative side at all.

Put yourself in the position of a trans person. No I am not trans, nor do I have any trans acquaintances as far as I know, but I do see and hear a lot of quotes from these people, and what I get from them is that the person may have been born as a particular gender, but they feel like the opposite gender, they prefer to dress and act like the opposite gender, and generally make a lot of effort to look like the opposite gender. This is not like some hobby thing, like "I think I'll dye my hair orange this month"; it's even misleading to call it a lifestyle choice, because in many cases those people have spent years trying to deny this is how they feel. Some go so far as to undergo "gender reassignment surgery" - what used to be called "sex change" but that term is now disparaged because it's a somewhat narrow view of what sex is. It's not a trivial operation, and it can be a costly one, so it's not something people do on a whim.

OK. Now the question is, which toilet to use. In an ideal world there would always be unisex toilets available; we live in a non-ideal world, but nevertheless nearly all toilets have private cubicles. I'd be willing to bet that someone who, say, looks and dresses like a man but doesn't have a dick would in most cases opt to go to the men's toilet and then head for a cubicle. No problem there (as long as enough cubicles are available).

That person in the pic posted by Paul_Smeenus is a perfect example. I'd feel far less uncomfortable, as a man, having that person walk into the men's toilets than I would, as a woman, seeing them in the ladies'. I'd like to know: who is actually being served by this proposed law? I would say no one, except possibly bigots who believe nothing except "normal" male and female roles and identities should be allowed on the planet.

Isbjørn · 04-09-2016, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bob_32_116

OK. Now the question is, which toilet to use. In an ideal world there would always be unisex toilets available; we live in a non-ideal world, but nevertheless nearly all toilets have private cubicles. I'd be willing to bet that someone who, say, looks and dresses like a man but doesn't have a dick would in most cases opt to go to the men's toilet and then head for a cubicle. No problem there (as long as enough cubicles are available).

Excactly. And how would the "toilet law" even be enforced? Toilet guards asking people entering about the shape of their genitals? That's bordering on sexual harrassment.

grindy · 04-09-2016, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn

Excactly. And how would the "toilet law" even be enforced? Toilet guards asking people entering about the shape of their genitals? That's bordering on sexual harrassment.

Goddamn it.
I should have known that genital inspector was fake.

bob_32_116 · 04-09-2016, 02:51 AM

On a less serious note: what an amazing occupation to be able to put on your tax return or your census form.

"GENITAL INSPECTOR".

motorcemor · 04-09-2016, 06:59 AM

Dennis Hastert might be better off banned from public bathrooms than any trans person.

OccultHawk · 04-09-2016, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Goddamn it.
I should have known that genital inspector was fake.

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bob_32_116 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: 32S 116E Posts: 324	I'm not gonna take the conservative side at all. Put yourself in the position of a trans person. No I am not trans, nor do I have any trans acquaintances as far as I know, but I do see and hear a lot of quotes from these people, and what I get from them is that the person may have been born as a particular gender, but they feel like the opposite gender, they prefer to dress and act like the opposite gender, and generally make a lot of effort to look like the opposite gender. This is not like some hobby thing, like "I think I'll dye my hair orange this month"; it's even misleading to call it a lifestyle choice, because in many cases those people have spent years trying to deny this is how they feel. Some go so far as to undergo "gender reassignment surgery" - what used to be called "sex change" but that term is now disparaged because it's a somewhat narrow view of what sex is. It's not a trivial operation, and it can be a costly one, so it's not something people do on a whim. OK. Now the question is, which toilet to use. In an ideal world there would always be unisex toilets available; we live in a non-ideal world, but nevertheless nearly all toilets have private cubicles. I'd be willing to bet that someone who, say, looks and dresses like a man but doesn't have a dick would in most cases opt to go to the men's toilet and then head for a cubicle. No problem there (as long as enough cubicles are available). That person in the pic posted by Paul_Smeenus is a perfect example. I'd feel far less uncomfortable, as a man, having that person walk into the men's toilets than I would, as a woman, seeing them in the ladies'. I'd like to know: who is actually being served by this proposed law? I would say no one, except possibly bigots who believe nothing except "normal" male and female roles and identities should be allowed on the planet.

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bob_32_116 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: 32S 116E Posts: 324	On a less serious note: what an amazing occupation to be able to put on your tax return or your census form. "GENITAL INSPECTOR".