Brexit? Yay or Nay.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-04-2018, 07:28 PM

Oh and yeah, I saw that about Nigel Farage and thought, what, again? He has left or resigned about four times now. I'm not sure it's even news any more. He quit as leader, came back, quit as leader and now quit the party?

UKIP is dead now anyway.

Lisnaholic · 12-04-2018, 08:25 PM

One prob for me is that so many politicians seem to be saying that May's deal is bad without offering up any concrete alternatives, but maybe I'm just not investigating enough.

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Originally Posted by Fluff

This is what I have thought would happen in the back of my mind. May will be forced out, the government will be in chaos and we'll have a general election followed by either a vote on the deal or a second referendum (in which we would vote to remain). The whole thing is a mess and an embarrassment. Still don't know why we're doing it tbh.

^ If this is a route forward, no one seems to be spelling it out as such, although my impression is that many people would be happy to just go back to the way things were. A change of government and a new referendum is a lot to achieve before the March deadline isn't it? The party leaders can't even arrange to turn up on tv together.

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Originally Posted by Fluff

Oh and yeah, I saw that about Nigel Farage and thought, what, again? He has left or resigned about four times now. I'm not sure it's even news any more. He quit as leader, came back, quit as leader and now quit the party?

^ Yes, to me Farage is the worst case of an annoying new habit among UK politicians: The Politics of Petulance. Any decision they don't like, they just throw up their hands and walk out. That's something I actually respect May for: she just keeps plugging away at the job in hand, while an irresponsible bunch stomp off: they get their one self-gratifying "X Resigns!" headline but then contribute nothing more to any advancement.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-05-2018, 07:21 AM

Labour have not ruled out a second referendum and that's something the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru would all support. A snap election wouldn't take long in any case. The last one was announced one month before the vote was it not? It's doable, though yes it is a bit of a squeeze. Either way, I'll be surprised if we leave. I just cannot see us crashing out but I can't see the deal being voted through either.

We'll see what happens I guess.

Politics of Petulance is such a ****ing great phrase BTW

Psy-Fi · 12-05-2018, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fluff

Labour have not ruled out a second referendum and that's something the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru would all support. A snap election wouldn't take long in any case. The last one was announced one month before the vote was it not? It's doable, though yes it is a bit of a squeeze. Either way, I'll be surprised if we leave. I just cannot see us crashing out but I can't see the deal being voted through either.

We'll see what happens I guess.

Politics of Petulance is such a ****ing great phrase BTW

Great name for an album or a band.

Lisnaholic · 12-05-2018, 07:46 AM

^ Thanks guys! That means a lot because I thought it up all on my own - unlike so many of my comments that actually come second-hand.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-05-2018, 03:38 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46461880

K Addict · 12-06-2018, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff

Labour have not ruled out a second referendum and that's something the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru would all support. A snap election wouldn't take long in any case. The last one was announced one month before the vote was it not? It's doable, though yes it is a bit of a squeeze. Either way, I'll be surprised if we leave. I just cannot see us crashing out but I can't see the deal being voted through either.

We'll see what happens I guess.

Politics of Petulance is such a ****ing great phrase BTW

I think the best way through this mess is a 2nd referendum. I can't see there being a G.E because that would be Turkeys voting for Christmas. And I definitely don't think The UK will be allowed to crash out.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-06-2018, 03:32 PM

Decent read here, also welcome to the forum. Good post.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-46393399

K Addict · 12-06-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff

Decent read here, also welcome to the forum. Good post.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-46393399

Thanks

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-09-2018, 11:33 AM

Corbyn saying remain should be on the ballot in a second referendum.

My man J-Dogg.

12-05-2018, 07:46 AM	#715 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	^ Thanks guys! That means a lot because I thought it up all on my own - unlike so many of my comments that actually come second-hand. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Oh and yeah, I saw that about Nigel Farage and thought, what, again? He has left or resigned about four times now. I'm not sure it's even news any more. He quit as leader, came back, quit as leader and now quit the party? UKIP is dead now anyway.

12-05-2018, 07:21 AM	#713 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Labour have not ruled out a second referendum and that's something the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru would all support. A snap election wouldn't take long in any case. The last one was announced one month before the vote was it not? It's doable, though yes it is a bit of a squeeze. Either way, I'll be surprised if we leave. I just cannot see us crashing out but I can't see the deal being voted through either. We'll see what happens I guess. Politics of Petulance is such a ****ing great phrase BTW

12-05-2018, 03:38 PM	#716 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46461880

12-06-2018, 03:32 PM	#718 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Decent read here, also welcome to the forum. Good post. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-46393399

12-09-2018, 11:33 AM	#720 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Corbyn saying remain should be on the ballot in a second referendum. My man J-Dogg.