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Old 12-04-2018, 08:22 PM   #711 (permalink)
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Unbelievable to me that there is so little support for May's compromise. I can't work out any longer what people want: the options are crash-out Brexit, hard-Brexit, soft-Brexit or (not actually on the table right now) new referendum in hopes of Remaining. Are people really going for crash-out?

Nigel Farage has quit UKIP?! Hasn't he done that already? He's quit so many things that I've lost track: he even quit when he won the original Brexit referendum
Saw a bit on the news earlier that some top guy, can't remember who but he's in the EU legal something or other said that if we decided we wanted to call Brexit off, we could do so and rejoin the EU without the backing of all the current member states but there would be conditions attached, like it would have to be in good faith and not just a tactic to buy more time, and would need parliamentary backing.

This is what I have thought would happen in the back of my mind. May will be forced out, the government will be in chaos and we'll have a general election followed by either a vote on the deal or a second referendum (in which we would vote to remain). The whole thing is a mess and an embarrassment. Still don't know why we're doing it tbh.

Looking forward to seeing what happens on the 11th
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:28 PM   #712 (permalink)
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Oh and yeah, I saw that about Nigel Farage and thought, what, again? He has left or resigned about four times now. I'm not sure it's even news any more. He quit as leader, came back, quit as leader and now quit the party?

UKIP is dead now anyway.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:25 PM   #713 (permalink)
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One prob for me is that so many politicians seem to be saying that May's deal is bad without offering up any concrete alternatives, but maybe I'm just not investigating enough.

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This is what I have thought would happen in the back of my mind. May will be forced out, the government will be in chaos and we'll have a general election followed by either a vote on the deal or a second referendum (in which we would vote to remain). The whole thing is a mess and an embarrassment. Still don't know why we're doing it tbh.
^ If this is a route forward, no one seems to be spelling it out as such, although my impression is that many people would be happy to just go back to the way things were. A change of government and a new referendum is a lot to achieve before the March deadline isn't it? The party leaders can't even arrange to turn up on tv together.
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Oh and yeah, I saw that about Nigel Farage and thought, what, again? He has left or resigned about four times now. I'm not sure it's even news any more. He quit as leader, came back, quit as leader and now quit the party?
^ Yes, to me Farage is the worst case of an annoying new habit among UK politicians: The Politics of Petulance. Any decision they don't like, they just throw up their hands and walk out. That's something I actually respect May for: she just keeps plugging away at the job in hand, while an irresponsible bunch stomp off: they get their one self-gratifying "X Resigns!" headline but then contribute nothing more to any advancement.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:21 AM   #714 (permalink)
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Labour have not ruled out a second referendum and that's something the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru would all support. A snap election wouldn't take long in any case. The last one was announced one month before the vote was it not? It's doable, though yes it is a bit of a squeeze. Either way, I'll be surprised if we leave. I just cannot see us crashing out but I can't see the deal being voted through either.

We'll see what happens I guess.

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Old 12-05-2018, 08:27 AM   #715 (permalink)
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Labour have not ruled out a second referendum and that's something the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru would all support. A snap election wouldn't take long in any case. The last one was announced one month before the vote was it not? It's doable, though yes it is a bit of a squeeze. Either way, I'll be surprised if we leave. I just cannot see us crashing out but I can't see the deal being voted through either.

We'll see what happens I guess.

Politics of Petulance is such a ****ing great phrase BTW
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^ Thanks guys! That means a lot because I thought it up all on my own - unlike so many of my comments that actually come second-hand.
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Labour have not ruled out a second referendum and that's something the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru would all support. A snap election wouldn't take long in any case. The last one was announced one month before the vote was it not? It's doable, though yes it is a bit of a squeeze. Either way, I'll be surprised if we leave. I just cannot see us crashing out but I can't see the deal being voted through either.

We'll see what happens I guess.

Politics of Petulance is such a ****ing great phrase BTW
I think the best way through this mess is a 2nd referendum. I can't see there being a G.E because that would be Turkeys voting for Christmas. And I definitely don't think The UK will be allowed to crash out.
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Decent read here, also welcome to the forum. Good post.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-46393399
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Decent read here, also welcome to the forum. Good post.

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