The Christianity Thread

[innerspaceboy]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

The book is merely a tool to help us better understand the Divinity. It is the beginning, not the end.

You really couldn't find a better book than the Bible to understand divinity? I would have picked something with a little less... you know... cruelty, rape, incest, slavery, homophobia, and misogyny for starters. Maybe stereo instructions?

Originally Posted by mordwyr

Everything God has revealed makes perfect sense, if you have eyes to see. All the evidence is there, both within you and without you.

You're further demonstrating my point. This "...if you have eyes to see" nonsense is precisely the problem. If you or anyone in history ever actually had evidence of a sky god, there are Nobel Prizes and JREF awards waiting for you to claim. Once again, I stated that the very issue is that the extraordinary supernatural claims of faith are by their very nature unprovable. They describe constructs outside the natural and observable world. Knowledge is derived from evidence acquired through rigorous testing and retesting of a given hypothesis in an effort to disp---

I'm absolutely wasting my time.

[Zhanteimi]

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[innerspaceboy]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

All right. If you feel you're wasting your time, I recommend you spend your time posting in other threads. Your mind was made up before I ever responded to you. You don't have eyes to see because of your preconceived notions, because of your prejudice.

mordwyr, for the third time, that is quite literally my point. Your preconceived notions and prejudice against reason and rational thought is what by its very definition keeps you wedded to a faith-based belief system.

An understanding of the scientific method, logic, and reason is how mankind remains flexible in our understanding so that, as new evidence and information is introduced, we can revise our hypothesis and improve our understanding further. This receptivity to new learning is one of the greatest strengths of the scientific method and the very opposite of faith-based convictions/reasoning.

This is grade school science class stuff... if you have eyes to see.

[Zhanteimi]

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[innerspaceboy]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

Belief in God is perfectly reasonable and rational. Reason and rationality don't begin or end with the observation and recording of empirical data. God can be neither proven nor disproven with science. Science is merely a tool. It would be madness indeed if I brought a barometer to measure the length of a piece of wood. It's not what a barometer is used for. Likewise, science is not a tool to measure God.

Nor is it an effective tool to measure a divine flying spaghetti monster. And both are equally wasteful endeavors.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

. It would be madness indeed if I brought a barometer to measure the length of a piece of wood. It's not what a barometer is used for. Likewise, science is not a tool to measure God.

What an absurd analogy.

[Zhanteimi]

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[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

we accept the Church's findings because we trust the Church.

Why would you trust an institution that covers up the rape of children?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by mordwyr

Agreed. And so we must look at other ways with which to understand and perceive the Divine. Since much of God is beyond the observable, revelation becomes key in this, i.e., God revealing truths to us that we could not otherwise deduce. But revelation isn't all; reason itself can and should be used to understand as much as you can about the Divinity.

Do you think you would have a belief in God if nobody told you about him?

[Zhanteimi]

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