^^You do realize the obesity rate is separate from life expectancy right? You're basically telling me that it's a personal choice for someone to end their life earlier than anticipated. That's not a personal choice. That's a choice governed by their lack of being able to control how they feel about themselves, i.e. depression etc. (i fall into this category)

The fact that you just throw the two under the bus like it's nothing makes me lose more respect for you than you realize.

As usual everything is someone elses fault with you. Nevermind the fact that all of our biggest healthcare costs can be reduced with decisions that are financially beneficial to the consumer.

I'm not sure how much suicide factors into the life expectancy rates but I'd guess it is rather small. Obviously I have sympathy for anyone who has been effected by that, but I think it's fair to correlate the obesity and life expectancy rates.

I'm done. This is ****ing retarded. Get out of this thread.

Have you got the stats on American suicide rates compared with the U.K.? I don't, and am happy to be informed.

Also I'm sorry if my posts have a personal connection to you Ki. I am genuinely not aware enough of your circumstances to know if that's the case, so I'll be happy to stop discussing the subject.

No personal connection at all. I'm just astounded that you can make the statement that suicide doesn't have much impact on the life expectancy rate. That's just pure ignorance.

Obviously they have an impact. Every death has an impact. My point is that suicides themselves are probably not a huge impact on the overall statistic, and the comparative rate probably isn't hugely different in the U.K., therefore potentially irrelevant to the discussion of life expectancy between the two countries.

Again I ask for the stats because I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

Have you ever known anyone who was murdered?

WHO shows (thru 2015) that on a list of 183 countries,
the US is 48th highest suicide rate while the UK is #123.
Sri Lanka is #1 and Antigua and Barbuda are last.

Not that I can prove. Some suspicious deaths for sure.

^ That may be true, Goofle, and there is an argument for saying that if you stay out of trouble you won't become an incarceration statistic. But their incarceration rate is five and a half times ours. Even if we allow that there may be different conviction rates, and different sentence lengths in the two countries, there is a clear implication that there is a higher proportion of crime in the USA. That means more victims of crime and more burden on the taxpayer.

There is of course a link between life expectancy and obesity, but obesity is only one factor in life expectancy. Other factors are environmental and don't depend on personal choice; levels of pollution and violence, safety regulations, availability of affordable health care, etc, etc. (The latter, of course, Trump is commited to eroding if he can, which would cause the USA to slide even furthur down the world statistics tables.)

Here, btw, is another statistic I dug up:-

When I was in junior high one of my friends was murdered. It's not like I'm really going to get offended but she didn't bring it on herself. There's all kinds of scenarios out there. You know that all ready. Thugs and criminals get murdered. So do innocent kids. I say **** that's hard to defend but that's a brutal opinion dude.

i wasnt aware we determined that environment is the sole contributor of human production. And its not emotional, but if thats what you need to tell yourself feel free.

The healthcare system is not the reason we are unhealthy. Healthcare is not the only factor of health. You can look to native tribes with high life expectancy where healthcare is basically non-existent or based around holistic/herbal medicine. Next?

Maybe having to not wear sheets anymore is something better about Amerikkka?
Mr. Alt-Right leads the charge.

Food deserts and lack of proper nutrition education lead to higher obesity rates.

Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the US. Each year over 44,000 people kill themselves in this country. That does not include drug overdoses, drunk driving accidents, etc.

You should move here Goofle.

44000 is ~1.6% of total deaths in the US going by 2014 census data. So really its a miniscule contribuor of life expectancy.

This is the likely end for both of us, isn't it?

I love your generalizations.. You say entire country when the reality is closer to 33% of the country (for various reasons). Keep trying though. The truth is our healthcare system is very low on the totem pole when it comes to reasons Americans are unhealthy. Culture, big business, lack of nutrition education, etc are all bigger concerns.

Sure, but why don't you make an argument for it anyway with your naive 2 years of poli sci education that allows you to be an expert on all the worlds problems.

That's fine. I agree with you, I hate big pharma as well, but that greed is still not the primary factor in the overall health of the US pop that you are making it out to be (or at least I haven't been shown any convincing evidence of this).

Wasn't really my point, especially since a lot of suicides are committed by middle aged or older people. Just not a subject to be taken flippantly.

Agreed, just bringing it back to Kiii getting upset about Goofs earlier comment (he wasn't wrong).

That's a condescending post from someone who's trying to argue that lack of healthcare doesn't impact our health.

Please quote where I said it doesn't impact our health? Since you can't because I never said it I'll explain again:

Thank you for thoroughly reading my position before commenting.

I already covered this when I explained in areas where healthcare doesn't even exist healthier populations exist, and you argued that they get free healthcare (which wouldn't even qualify as healthcare in any 1st world country btw). I then went on to say:

I also made a point which explained how taking some personal responsibility for your health, ie not smoking, reducing meat consumption, alcohol abuse, etc.. will help reduce all the largest problems we rely on healthcare for (and what it profits from) WHILE ALSO being more financial feasible. So yeah...

The selective reading skills some of you have is really quite impressive.

You know what our ****ty healthcare system should largely be blamed for? Needless deaths, lack of treatment for the poor, overuse of treatments which increase immunity in viruses/bacteria, prescription drug abuse, etc.. NOT the general health of the population.

Read this:

You're grasping at straws trying to argue a bunch of bull****. However you worded it you were saying that healthcare is more or less irrelevant to health. I don't need to see stats on some Amazonian tribe to get it.

Tell me that when you get strep throat and can't afford to go to the clinic.

Okay, right after you tell me what strep throat has to do with population health.

US healthcare should NOT be privatized institutions. It should be socialized and controlled to keep prices equal and fair. Should a doctor who specializes in toes and ankles make $250K a year? (I ask because I know a podiatrist from over on The Gear Page who owns a million dollar home in the Washington DC area, and about 30 or so $3,000+ guitars.)

In-****ing-insane in a country where kids go to bed hungry every night.

I hate when you make these anecdotal arguments.. Should you live the way you do when children in Africa live the way they do? You should of stopped or added more related to your first 2 sentences.

and tbh, i'm fine with them making that much the real absurdity is the multi-million dollar sports contracts.

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just so everyone can see this.

I said UNITED STATES. And I am currently ****ed financially in case you haven't been paying attention. We're not poor and starving but I'm close to losing everything I spent 40 ****ing years trying to build up to support my family. Losing my retirement savings is one thing, losing the ability to support my sick son is something altogether different. Have some empathy, relatively speaking.

And I 100% agree with you on entertainment salaries. Too many suckers willing to support the current status quo so it will keep on going.

Keeping up with the Kardashians is on its 13th season..........

Yall trying to say I can't joke about suicide? Because those jokes come naturally to me. The rape jokes are forced though.

It's pretty common and if you let it go it ****s you up. WTF?

i was waiting for your response to his statement and i'm so happy it turned out to be the exact way i hoped you'd respond.

I think our healthcare system is more responsible for putting people in debt rather than causing people to be unhealthy. Yall act like we're Africa or something Like the doctors forced french fries down our throats.

They did though. It's just the french fries were disguised as overcharged medication sold by third party companies that you can only afford on the best health care.

A. Pills don't make you fat or unhealthy the way fast food does.

B. It's not forced you have a choice. I keep being told I need medication for mental illness but I reject it.

C. They were already unhealthy prior to the pills. The blood pressure pills that are sooooo over priced are only needed because fat ass didn't know when to stop eating fries. I can relate. I'm not fat but I sure do like french fries and I do have high blood pressure. My fault. Not the doctor's.