tfw when lucem takes a joke seriously.

Ahhhh, so that's why nobody takes you seriously. I get it.

you finally caught on, huh?

I would say nobody has accused me of being a genius but that'd be wrong. But I've also been accused of being a nice guy.

how awful

I know, people spread the foulest rumors about me.

you can tell from my monotone that i truly care about what happened to you

You're a good friend.:thumb:

Do you know what the word healthy means and understand how that is not relevant at all to the point im making?

Yes, if you have strep you are not healthy in the moment and if you dont get treatment it can get bad quickly. Next time you for a physical make sure to ask them to check you for strep. While youre at it get tested for every other possible ailment.

Elph your point about preventative medicine is the one thing i do agree with you on and id like to address it further so ill be back to it later.

In the last few pages,
i) saddest facts:-
ii) cleverest responses :laughing:

I showed up an hour early to my internship so lets talk about preventative treatment and society. As I said earlier I agree that if everyone had access to doctors that at the very least could give the preventative advice we would see an increase in overall health. My question is how much of an increase? Preventative recommendations are not actually treatments(some are) but suggestions leaving it up to the individuals to follow through on listening to their doctors. So Person A leaves the doctor and goes back into a society force feeding them an unhealthy lifestyle, now what?

Do you have some stats or information correlating preventative medicine with increased health? Specfically in the US if possible. Or some way to demonstrate your claim? Again the ****ty healthcare system needs some fixing but if we are discussing public health i think we have much bigger fish to fry and your pointing your finger in the wrong direction. Might as well be sending burn victims to dentists for a teeth cleaning.

As usual if there is some flaw in my logic or im missing a major point do tell. And sorry if this is a ****ty response forums and cellphones dont mesh well. Ill come back to clarify and clean up later if i have to.

No. I don't get it. Spell it out for me like I'm retarded.

My thinking is if people can't go see a doctor all kinds of fixable things don't get fixed. Strep throat, scabies, syphilis, pink eye, and on and on. Am I wrong to conclude our general public health could be improved by allowing people to fix this stuff? I'm thinking in your mind it's like when a person confuses weather and climate but if you could do me the kindness of spelling it out for me.

Don't those things factor into the general health of the population, from a statistical standpoint?

You are correct sir!

Pretty much exactly this. If you don't work for the bigger companies in the country, you basically get the worst treatment you can find. It's all about greed and not wanting to provide a healthy wage for the workers involved. That's why so many people just start their own businesses (which can be a very smart route). Small businesses need to be catered to more because that's the main thing that will bring the economy back on track. People can disagree with that all they want, but there's no way you can argue that small businesses have created a great living for those that couldn't find it before. It's allowed people to learn skills they never thought they had and plus, nothing wrong with being your own boss. I did it for a while. It's stressful but it can be worth it if done properly. (no im not talking about my clickbait job).

Stress is a killer. A silent, but very deadly killer.

Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

please let this be enough

kill the poor

Or do you think they'll play along with the garbage society the same as they ever have and try to discredit him within the normal political hate channels that accomplish nothing but sound bites?

Wow. If this turns out to be true he's toast.

It would truly be a fall from grace.

It's now gone beyond Twilight Zone.

I think he's going to get arrested.

Realistically, and let's be real here, nothing will be done about it. If nothing has been done about the various other things Trump has done, why would this be any different?

They need to get him and Pence at the same ****ing time. Let Paul Ryan **** up the country with his crazy Ayn Rand bull****.

But Pence was good governor, just ask Chula.

They are the most boring white people on earth given prominence.

Well that's what I'm getting at. What is the likelihood that the Dems win enough seats? Probably close to impossible I'd imagine.

Honestly do you really find anything promising?

I don't trust anyone anymore after more than half the country voted for Trump.

doesn't feel like it

I think this sentiment neatly sums up why Trump won.

Feelings are beating facts. For everyone.

Well, for many people, it seems. I've been saying this for a long time ...
and it's not just concerning various Trumpisms.

Only about 18% of the US population voted for this jackoff,
but 100% will have to deal with the consequences.

A toast to the next four years!

I'm regretting that post more and more with each passing day.

We need proven statistical evidence of this. Not just your word.

Only thing I can come up with (searching the net) is people are killing themselves because they can't deal with the stress. Which is highly debatable on weather or not that has anything to do with healthcare or the over all health of our people.

If you desperately want to stretch the goal posts you could say that overpriced healthcare is having an effect on mental health, but other than that I don't see our medical system having any direct impact on how unhealthy American's are.

Treating workers like **** doesn't force them to eat so many french fries. And **** most of yall hypocrites because of how much I've heard people bad mouth Batlord for working at Burger King.

What your pointing out is an economic and social issue rather than a healthcare issue.

Still waiting to see evidence of this "great reduction" which requires people to actually follow their doctors recommendation after leaving the office. Preventative care only works for those who listen, which from 30ish years of anecdotal evidence is hardly ever the case.

Preventative practices require people to make lifestyle changes not take pills until they feel better. Stop being so lazy, your word vomit is boring.

Im patiently waiting for the day you stop blindly throwing darts at a wall of oppressors hoping one sticks.

Which is why I said practices and not treatments.. which I assumed you were also talking about since treatments are performed on the patient and generally do not expect much of them after leaving.

All the blood pressure tests in the world are not necessarily going to stop people from smoking, eating meat, being stressed, etc.. Increasing awareness =/= increasing health if people are not willing to take the appropriate actions to reduce the cause. Yes, blood pressure medicine helps, I get that.

Also, to get specific, can you give me one example of a preventative treatment that helps with a poor diet? Cause I can't think of a one.

Edit: I do agree with you with examples like vaccinations and surgical procedures, btw.