You can't put strings on 7,700 billion dollars. That **** will buy crazy good scissors.

You need to drop three zeros.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerge...on_Act_of_2008

And again, what you are suggesting OH is a pipe dream. Wasn't going to happen. So we got the best option available at the time.

Our government, military, and banks are just not the fox guarding the hen house. It's a trio of foxes in a circle jerk making sure they are 100% fine and secure, no matter what the circumstances are.

Such is the reality of life in the USA in 2017. Maybe we need Bane to burn it all down???

I'll just leave this here.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

Forbes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...k-bailout/amp/

Trillions.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1mJ9nq59uL.jpg

A lot of that extra money has been after the banks and Wall Street recovered the US economy. I bought my house for $172K in 1998. It peaked at $500K during the bubble and then crashed down to $200K when it burst. I'm back to $460K. Same story with my 401K. Helping support the banks with my taxpayer dollars is fine by me because it is benefitting me at the end of the day.

I've been working full time and paying into the "system" for about 40 years. At this stage of life I have no choice but to look at the bottom line and what is best for me and my wife.

You idealists? Give it all you got and my best wishes.

In a buttshell.

That was very considerate not using the potentially offensive NUT shell.

They didn't even force them to repay or even start paying the pensions they reneged on. People worked in their factories for decades and the CEO's colluded with lawyers and legislators to get out of paying many workers their pensions and even after a bailout that rewarded their elite with hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses they still never ****ing paid those ****ing pensions. I want to be clear on my position about this: They should be ****ing killed.

And absolutely yes to what you're saying. If We supposedly can't afford to lose GM then ownership should be transferred to the people. You can chime in on the how Elph but I suggest holding top salaries at $100,000, minimum at $50,000 decisions made through REAL co-op style consensus and all profits spread out at whatever it is as a universal basic income for everybody no matter how big or small. I don't care if it's $5 a person or $15,000 a person.

You mean they might wake up?
You're just an idealist dreamer at heart, aren't you?
Like voting for Trump. Those two fingers everyone held up must be getting real tired by now..
You're just an idealist dreamer at heart, aren't you?

Hell yeah. If this reality is possible what isn't? This is the most surreal ridiculous political situation possible and it's the real one. Everybody is waiting to wake up because this **** can't be happening.

Uh-huh...

At least Neo was smart enough to take the red pill and go full Libertarian.

Call me when you're not leaning on mommy and daddy to pay for the roof over your head, the water you shower and **** in, and electricity you use to sprew your snark around here as well as make that stuff you affectionally call 'music'.

Also, after you've been paying into the system for 4 decades.

Otherwise, go to your room son.

Wow solid point I've been convinced that the bailouts were absolutely necessary.

Awesome comeback! You really got me good. Now go sweep the driveway to help earn your keep.

What are you on about?

First off, I never said I personally thought the bailout was a good thing. A large number of bipartisan senior financial advisers said it was the only way to avoid a total breakdonw of the US economic system.

Secondly, you are not in a position to snark on me. I mean, you'll do it anyway, but it's kind of like a six year old child who's played wiffle ball a couple of times trying to talk down to David Ortiz about his baseball career.

1. I was more criticizing the way you put everything through the lens of what's happening in your life. It reflects a lack of intellectual curiosity when you can't view a situation in the abstract. There's also the fact that it was not the only choice against letting them fail, which is why I posted that false dichotomy link earleir.

2. Sorry man, I'm gonna keep being funny, even when I disagree with you. Being ultra serious is so boring. If you actually reveal yourself to be hilarious your analogy might hold up but for the moment you're too emotional and reactionary to dispense any kind of wit for your analogy to be anything but a failed attempt at autofelatio.

sexless marriage plus bankrupt business equals big papi

Maybe it's time you started following the Padres.

Let's hear it senior financial advisor....

Dude, between your comments in this thread and then about love and marriage in the other thread, I'm alternating between laughing at you and feeling sorry for you for your cluelessness.

Not emotional at all son. 100mg of Zoloft is working quite well at keeping that at bay. But if you like that defense, have at it.

Compared to Frowny? I'm Babe Ruth and Willie Mays combined.

Funny, when I left Boston I was so bummed about leaving all of the sports behind. The year we got here The Padres made it to the World Series.

I'm thinking, hey maybe it's not going to be so bad!

They were swept in 4 games by the Yankees and have sucked ever since. And now we don't even have a football team anymore.

What am I clueless about in this convo about how using humour is a more fun forum experience in a debate as opposed to stone faced discussion?

And I'm sure you won't understand tbis concept, but you are literally the least reliable person to comment on your own emotional stability. Either way, your jokes don't bang which means that your soccer analogy doesn't make sense.

First a financial expert, then a relationship expert, and now a medical expert. You truly are a renaissance man dude.

I can guarantee that my understanding of psychology (which is what mental stability falls under) outpaces yours tenfold. It would be the same for anyone btw. The input from our brains is the least reliable source on how your brains are doing. An unbiased outside source is far more reliable.

And senior financial advisers invented the sub prime loan. Maybe they're not the most reliable guys in the room.

A part of you has to be saying good riddance. Let LA watch them disappoint year after year...

Those bitches stole the Clippers, too

The Clippers could have some respectability in SD instead of being the LA Fakers. You left the Celtics, Pats, and the Red Sox. ****ing hell. And the Bruins. Damn.

I've been living with a mentally unstable son for 10 years and studying psychology the entire time. How many NAMI meetings have you attended? How many books have you read on the subject? How much online research have you done? How many degreed medical specialists have you sat down one on one with and talked at length? Lecture me on lots of things but know when to step back. You've known me long enough by now.

Flippant arrogance is ugly.

Ya, good point. The Raiders vs Chargers rivaly (gang war) will take on a new twist, that's for sure.

So you have a hyperspecific understanding of one psychological disorder. How much do you know about cognitive biases? How many college level psychology courses have you taken? I still guarantee I have a better understanding of the field than you do, even though you might have an understanding of something that directly affects you (hmmm...reminds me of something I said earlier).

*Engage Bulbasaur mode*

Mods, can you change the thread title to "What are Chula and Frownland fighting over now?" please?

*Disengage Bulbasaur mode*

Have you ever had a real bout of any kind of mental illness? Whether or not your brain knows it's falling off the rails is kind of case by case. You might think you're all good and really be ****ed but I've spent a lot of time thinking nah this ain't right. I never could afford decent mental health care but when I came in saying I don't think this is normal the only things I heard doctors and counselors and psychologists say is you have yadda yadda disorder and you need a psychiatrist. I'm trying to say that at a certain point you can self-diagnose some mental disorders or at least that something is wrong. Like if your heart is racing and you're crying all the time and imagining how your brains would look splattered on the wall every ten minutes you can figure something is misfiring up there.

Obviously the brain can be aware and it is very case by case, but because nobody ever knows whether or not they're an idiot and a brain seeing life through the filter of a disorder is not a reliable one, I'm gonna go with my original theory that you shouldn't trust yourself as objective.

That's the only part of your post I'm challenging. I think often part of your brain can **** up and another part can warn you.

what to heck

Can is the key word there. You shouldn't count on this as the rule of thumb.

OH, don't try preaching to Frowny, he knows it all.

Seriously, trying to loophole schizophrenia and manic depression as "one psychological disorder" is the single most stupid and naive things you've said in all my years here. Just stop.

No doubt. I think y'all have more access to decent mental healthcare out west. Where I'm at you're pretty much on your own. Here's it like "Let's pray!!!"

I'm still certain that I understand the field better than you despite you knowing that area, mostly because you are medically retarded and can barely understand anything to begin with.

That's why we have both a logical portion and animal/instinctual portion to our brains. Hence my dissasociative fugue abut a month ago.

But Frowny is the expert.......

Who did that?

To use your own words "cut it out!"

And it's my son that's mentally retarded. But again, you are the expert here....