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Chula Vista 06-12-2017 09:52 PM

Trump leaks that he might just fire Robert Mueller to kill off the Russia investigation.

And did anyone see that White House meeting today with Trump and his staff? One by one they all took turns drooling on his dick. Beyond pathetic.

Exo 06-12-2017 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1845480)
Trump leaks that he might just fire Robert Mueller to kill off the Russia inverstigation.

Congress will just re-hire him as an independent investigator. I hope Trump does it.

djchameleon 06-12-2017 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1845480)
And did anyone see that White House meeting today with Trump and his staff? One by one they all took turns drooling on his dick. Beyond pathetic.

Yeah I saw that circle jerk even Steve Bannon was sitting in the back laughing. 20 mins circle jerk.

OccultHawk 06-12-2017 10:17 PM

If Trump can fire Comey and come straight out on TV and say it was to stop the Russian collusion investigation and not get arrested there's no reason to think he can't fire Mueller and if they hire him as an independent investigator he can probably simply ignore that as well. The truth is Comey might go to prison. Mueller might not want any of that. Andrew McCabe is obviously afraid to arrest Trump even though he openly admitted to breaking the law. The fact that Trump has fired Comey and still isn't arrested but rather acting president is absolute proof America is now a dictatorship. It's still in its infancy and can be stopped but it's going to have to be a physical removal of Trump from office. Waiting for a new congress to impeach isn't going to cut it. He tweeted that Comey's "leaking" was "totally illegal?" (His question mark). He's therefore trying to have Comey arrested. I think it has a great chance of working. We need to be very honest with ourselves about what's happening and considering what's at stake what we're willing to do to stop it.

OccultHawk 06-12-2017 10:25 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ing/index.html

Damn. That's seriously straight out of North Korea.

Frownland 06-12-2017 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1845492)
If Trump can fire Comey and come straight out on TV and say it was to stop the Russian collusion investigation and not get arrested there's no reason to think he can't fire Mueller and if they hire him as an independent investigator he can probably simply ignore that as well. The truth is Comey might go to prison. Mueller might not want any of that. Andrew McCabe is obviously afraid to arrest Trump even though he openly admitted to breaking the law. The fact that Trump has fired Comey and still isn't arrested but rather acting president is absolute proof America is now a dictatorship. It's still in its infancy and can be stopped but it's going to have to be a physical removal of Trump from office. Waiting for a new congress to impeach isn't going to cut it. He tweeted that Comey's "leaking" was "totally illegal?" (His question mark). He's therefore trying to have Comey arrested. I think it has a great chance of working. We need to be very honest with ourselves about what's happening and considering what's at stake what we're willing to do to stop it.

Man, I thought we all decided through Snowden and Manning that leaks/treason was cool now.

Trump found himself a nice grey area to fire Comey in though. Ignoring what the laws say is a trait of dictatorships as well. I also think we should stop viewing the tweets as executive mandates or declarations, but at this point I don't have faith in the media to not play Trump's game and quintuple his platform by overanalyzing what he typed out on the ****ter.

OccultHawk 06-12-2017 10:37 PM

Frown

If someone cut your dick off would you argue you still have a dick it's just in the freezer?

Chula Vista 06-12-2017 10:47 PM

So awesome.


Frownland 06-12-2017 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1845500)
Frown

If someone cut your dick off would you argue you still have a dick it's just in the freezer?

How much of my dick, and what is the modern legal definition of having a dick?

Anteater 06-12-2017 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1845503)
So awesome.


I kept expecting him to burst into crocodile tears like he usually does. What a disappointment. :(

Dude111 06-13-2017 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo
Congress will just re-hire him as an independent investigator. I hope Trump does it.

Yea it will show just how stupid and guilty he is!!!!!!

Lisnaholic 06-13-2017 06:09 AM

Cabinet or Cult ?
 
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1845480)
And did anyone see that White House meeting today with Trump and his staff? One by one they all took turns drooling on his dick. Beyond pathetic.

^ Yes, I was genuinely creeped out by this performance. Trump, true to form, starts out with a lie :- "Never has there been a president....with few exceptions...who's passed more legislation, who's done more things than I have."

This is demonstrably untrue, just like his cr*p about the sun shining over his inauguration crowds. As CNN point out:-

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Um, ok. While Trump has signed a number of executive orders and actions -- the most high profile of which, the so-called "travel ban" was, again, blocked by a court on Monday -- what he hasn't really done is pass actual legislation through Congress. The health care bill is tied up in Senate machinations. Tax reform hasn't moved an inch. Funding for the border wall hasn't happened. And so on.
Nobody calls him out on his lying, of course, but what's worse is that all the cabinet members then go on to abase themselves in their eagerness to flatter Trump. How about this nauseating example from Reince Priebus:- "We thank you for the opportunity and blessing to serve your agenda."

Maybe it's the creepy use of the word "blessing" that really raises a red flag for me. Here we have the U.S. cabinet prepared to ignore unassailable evidence and to sacrifice their individual political credibility in order to publicly declare their loyalty to a proven liar suspected of obstruction of justice. It's a horrible abnegation of intellectual independence that makes me think of those Branch Davidians or some other cult, in which adults who should know better are in thrall to some "charismatic" leader. Another sinister, cultish element is the dynamics of the interactions; there's no cabinet member-to-cabinet member chat, it's all "Me to my leader, Me to my leader." Really, one of the most disgusting political performances I've ever seen.
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1845492)
If Trump can fire Comey and come straight out on TV and say it was to stop the Russian collusion investigation and not get arrested there's no reason to think he can't fire Mueller and if they hire him as an independent investigator he can probably simply ignore that as well. The truth is Comey might go to prison. Mueller might not want any of that. Andrew McCabe is obviously afraid to arrest Trump even though he openly admitted to breaking the law. The fact that Trump has fired Comey and still isn't arrested but rather acting president is absolute proof America is now a dictatorship. It's still in its infancy and can be stopped but it's going to have to be a physical removal of Trump from office. Waiting for a new congress to impeach isn't going to cut it. He tweeted that Comey's "leaking" was "totally illegal?" (His question mark). He's therefore trying to have Comey arrested. I think it has a great chance of working. We need to be very honest with ourselves about what's happening and considering what's at stake what we're willing to do to stop it.

^ Yes, incredible as it seems, the U.S. seems to be edging ever closer to this scenario.

Stephen 06-13-2017 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1845492)
We need to be very honest with ourselves about what's happening and considering what's at stake what we're willing to do to stop it.

Isn't this why America has never acted on gun control?

OccultHawk 06-13-2017 07:33 AM

Yes.

Cuthbert 06-13-2017 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1845596)
Yes.

Your sig :D

Chula Vista 06-13-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1845542)
I kept expecting him to burst into crocodile tears like he usually does. What a disappointment. :(

What would have been disappointing would have been you NOT popping in here to diss on any anti-Trump sentiment.

But you never disappoint.



(Ant: "But I didn't even vote for Trump", in 5... 4... 3... 2... )

Anteater 06-13-2017 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1845619)
What would have been disappointing would have been you NOT popping in here to diss on any anti-Trump sentiment.

But you never disappoint.



(Ant: "But I didn't even vote for Trump", in 5... 4... 3... 2... )

Need a tissue?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo.../afp-l759h.jpg

riseagainstrocks 06-13-2017 12:06 PM

You two are the definition of what's wrong with American political discourse.

One eager to believe and spread any story about those whose political views he despises, the other reflexively sarcastic and quick to point to the opposition's use of vile political tricks as cover for his own team's deplorable behavior.

It's like Tom and Jerry, but no one laughs, both animals die for want of medical care, and Mammy Two Shoes burns the house down.

Anteater 06-13-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1845685)
You two are the definition of what's wrong with American political discourse.

One eager to believe and spread any story about those whose political views he despises, the other reflexively sarcastic and quick to point to the opposition's use of vile political tricks as cover for his own team's deplorable behavior.

It's like Tom and Jerry, but no one laughs, both animals die for want of medical care, and Mammy Two Shoes burns the house down.

Not really. I just like accountability on both sides, and we got very little of that in the last two administration cycles. The blind Democratian view that Trump occurred in some kind of vacuum and needs to be treated as such is the biggest problem. Even liberal stalwarts Salon published a great article about why Trump is likely to win in 2020 because his opposition will be weak and haven't worked out their own problems enough to threaten his re-election.

Chula Vista 06-13-2017 12:38 PM

It's June 13th, 2017. Donald Trump is currently president. This thread is titled "What Did President Trump Do Now?".

Bringing up past administrations serves absolutely zero service to the subject of the thread other than to try and dismiss people answering the question posed in the OP.

Trump's presidency has been "interesting" so far to say the least. He's got the lowest approval rating of any president at the same point in their term. So the question the OP posed is revelent.

Ant's only purpose posting in this thread is basically to say "I know he did but what about Obama/Clinton?"

It's June 13th, 2017. Donald Trump is currently president. This thread is titled "What Did President Trump Do Now?".

OccultHawk 06-13-2017 12:47 PM

Just because Trump supporters hate his critics as much as his critics hate them doesn't mean both sides are wrong. Trump is terrible and his critics are correct. This is one of those rare times where one side is doing the right thing. It might sound wise to take on both sides, like you're thinking critically. But Trump is far beyond that. His side is ****ing hideous. Neutrality is also hideous. We have no choice.

Frownland 06-13-2017 12:51 PM

Nah, definitely be critical of everything and anything, especially things that you find yourself readily agreeing with.

Whatever conclusions you reach are an entirely different story.

OccultHawk 06-13-2017 12:52 PM

Usually. But not with Trump hate.

Frownland 06-13-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1845717)
Usually. But not with Trump hate.

Remember that people get paid when you click those sexy headlines. Take it case by case, no side is ever entirely right.

I remember the night Trump got elected, the hosts on CNN and MSNBC were crying. Most people don't recognize that they were crying tears of joy because the risk of losing their job to a slow news month became a thing of the past.

Anteater 06-13-2017 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1845718)
Remember that people get paid when you click those sexy headlines. Take it case by case, no side is ever entirely right.

I remember the night Trump got elected, the hosts on CNN and MSNBC were crying. Most people don't recognize that they were crying tears of joy because the risk of losing their job to a slow news month became a thing of the past.

Trump and the media feed eachother's respective egos. The truth has nothing to do with any of it. Which is why I take a neutral position in a thread like this, which involves NOT demonizing Trump for getting three scoops of ice cream and instead analyze what's going on with all available information on the table. For instance, regardless of what happens to Trump, there's a strong case against Comey right now because the memos are considered to be government property (even if the information itself wasn't classified). The media aren't really talking about it because it doesn't play into the narrative that Comey "destroyed" Trump...whatever that means.

But if everyone wants to turn this into a morality game, then I'll keep bringing up past administrations as often as needed. This was a mess created by bad decisions made during the last four years. If people aren't willing to do that, then your just going to get eight years of Trump instead of four.

Trollheart 06-13-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1845716)
Nah, definitely be critical of everything and anything, especially things that you find yourself readily agreeing with.

Whatever conclusions you reach are an entirely different story.

Meh, I'd be very critical of that statement...

Frownland 06-13-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1845731)
The truth has nothing to do with any of it.

Oh look, an easy answer that you're very ready to agree with...

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Which is why I take a neutral position in a thread like this, which involves NOT demonizing Trump for getting three scoops of ice cream and instead analyze what's going on with all available information on the table.
Contrarianism=/=neutrality

Also for someone so enlightened you sure do rely on straw man arguments a lot.

Anteater 06-13-2017 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1845733)
Oh look, an easy answer that you're very ready to agree with...



Contrarianism=/=neutrality

Also for someone so enlightened you sure do rely on straw man arguments a lot.

Being contrarian in a thread like this is the only thing that gives this thread anything resembling balance. I'm in opposition to a stupid point of view like "Trump is the big bad Demon Lord and if we just kill him we win the game and all of our problems will magically go away", which is what Chula and others seem to subscribe to. If you don't see that then that speaks more to your particular set of biases than mine.

Frownland 06-13-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1845736)
Being contrarian in a thread like this is the only thing that gives this thread anything resembling balance.

Mmmmmmnah. Don't let my disagreement keep you from complimenting yourself though.

Anteater 06-13-2017 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1845738)
Mmmmmmnah. Don't let my disagreement keep you from complimenting yourself though.

Of course not. I learned from the best. ;)

Frownland 06-13-2017 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1845740)
Of course not. I learned from the best. ;)

Get him Chula, he just implied that Trump is his muse!

Anteater 06-13-2017 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1845742)
Get him Chula, he just implied that Trump is his muse!

Nice little pivot thar. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Also, here's a fairly interesting look into Trump from someone who wrote the guy's biography.

Slate - Why Trump Is Like This (Interview with Michael Kranish)

Chula Vista 06-13-2017 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1845731)
For instance, regardless of what happens to Trump, there's a strong case against Comey right now because the memos are considered to be government property.

Not classified + Pivate Citizen = No problem. The narrative you are clinging to has already been dropped except by Trump dick suckers like Hannity and Jeffery Lord.

It's like you have an anti-Trump gag reflex. And as soon as you gag you grasp at any straw available to deflect the narrative away from the guy.

Oh, and Jeff Sessions today:


The Batlord 06-13-2017 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1845803)
It's like you have an anti-Trump gag reflex. And as soon as you gag you grasp at any straw available to deflect the narrative away from the guy.

Well that was odd.

Anteater 06-13-2017 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1845803)
Not classified + Pivate Citizen = No problem. The narrative you are clinging to has already been dropped except by Trump dick suckers like Hannity and Jeffery Lord.

It's like you have an anti-Trump gag reflex. And as soon as you gag you grasp at any straw available to deflect the narrative away from the guy.

Oh, and Jeff Sessions today:


Like I said, it has nothing to do with the information being classified or not. Just because you can't comprehend basic legal concepts (or choose to ignore half my post) doesn't mean you have to be an ass about it.

Chula Vista 06-13-2017 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1845832)
Like I said, it has nothing to do with the information being classified or not. Just because you can't comprehend basic legal concepts (or choose to ignore half my post) doesn't mean you have to be an ass about it.

Ooooohhhh, someone's chapped. I read the article you linked and it was pretty much what I've already deduced on my own. I've been observing Trump for decades before he decided to run for office. Guy has been a total entitled, egotistical dick for a long, long time. Just because he's in an executive position doesn't change the basic makeup of a person.

Comey is in no trouble whatsover becasue of this. BTW, the word "leak" is not a legal term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistl...Protection_Act


As the director of the FBI, and having been a 30+ year lawyer, Comey believed that Trump was attempting to obstruct justice and reported it after Trump basically admitted it to Russian officials in the oval office while on camera and being recorded.

Once again, take off your Trump colored glasses. Actually you should throw them in the trash. They seriously cloud your judgement of REALITY.

Re: Sessions - talk about having your cake and eating it too. Trump knew that evoking Executive Priviledge would have been a politically disastrous move from a public perception standpoint, yet Sessions, over and over again refused to answer questions because "The President may envoke it some time in the future".

OccultHawk 06-13-2017 10:52 PM

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Just because he's in an executive position doesn't change the basic makeup of a person
I'd say it's likely to make a bad man worse.

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Comey is in no trouble whatsover becasue of this. BTW, the word "leak" is not a legal term.
Do you really believe that justice and the rule of law are still realities an innocent man has in his favor? Comey might go to jail. Trump might become the most powerful dictator ever. We don't know where this is going.

Chula Vista 06-13-2017 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1845839)
Do you really believe that justice and the rule of law are still realities an innocent man has in his favor? Comey might go to jail. Trump might become the most powerful dictator ever. We don't know where this is going.

Check out my edit to my original post. Comey is fine. He's been earning respect in Washington for decades. No politician who wants to keep his job is going to vote to jail him. There's literally hundreds of people willing to testify in a positive way on his behalf.

CNN interviewed a bunch of Trump voters right after his testimony and all of them but one said they fully trusted Comey as a man of integrity.

Meanwhile, Trump's approval ratings continue to dip to record lows.

OccultHawk 06-13-2017 11:06 PM

I hope you're right but things have been topsy turvy for so damn long. I'll believe it when Trump's corpse is slumped in an electric chair.

Chula Vista 06-13-2017 11:14 PM

:rofl:

I think the most startling things from today's testimony is Sessions first admitting that he agreed with most of the intelligent agencies that Russia was trying to hack the 2016 election. And then he went on to say he didn't receive any briefings, he didn't request any of his staff to look into it. He made no public statements about it.

Yes, he recused himself from the Trump/Russian collusion investigation. But he's the goddamn Attorney General of the United States. He should have stayed involved with the basic election issue in regards to Russia. He shrugged it off like it was a bothersome mosquito today. That, along with his memory "issues" makes him unfit for the job. Can we at least agree on that?


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