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Trollheart 06-16-2017 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1846728)
How many folks here remember that before the internet, all we really had to research history was the Encyclopædia Britannica.

It was a series of books separated usually by letter. It's what you would use to study for tests in High School.

In 2020 the "T" volume is going to be a blast to read.

:rofl:

And libraries. Remember libraries?

djchameleon 06-16-2017 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1846728)
How many folks here remember that before the internet, all we really had to research history was the Encyclopædia Britannica.

It was a series of books separated usually by letter. It's what you would use to study for tests in High School.

In 2020 the "T" volume is going to be a blast to read.

:rofl:

My grandmother had an entire set of them. The only crap part is that every decade or so you have to buy the whole entire set over again because there is new information in it. Those bad boys were expensive. I believe they stopped printing them in 2010. I could be wrong though.

Trollheart 06-16-2017 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1846771)
My grandmother had an entire set of them. The only crap part is that every decade or so you have to buy the whole entire set over again because there is new information in it. Those bad boys were expensive. I believe they stopped printing them in 2010. I could be wrong though.

I remember The Joy of Knowledge and The Tree of Knowledge, two encyclopaedia series that built up week by week. One (The Joy of Knowledge) was hardcover volumes on different subjects (The Earth, History, Natural Science, Astronomy etc) and the other, which I found better put together, gave you pages from each section each week, colour coded, which you placed in the appropriate section of the big binder, so that eventually it all built up into one large encyclopedia.

Needless to say, I never finished collecting either of them. But I do still have the twenty or so volumes I collected of The Joy of Knowledge. Good stuff.

http://www.hitrepeat.com/imagehost/2...91;S8329VK.jpg
http://da1urhpfd469z.cloudfront.net/...17-640x480.jpg

Chula Vista 06-18-2017 05:17 PM

Trump's long time lawyer has lawered up. :confused:

Longtime Trump attorney hires lawyer in Russia probe - CNNPolitics.com

Stephen 06-18-2017 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1847801)
Trump's long time lawyer has lawered up. :confused:

Longtime Trump attorney hires lawyer in Russia probe - CNNPolitics.com

Lol. Wonder if anyone in Trump's circle will throw themselves on a grenade.

riseagainstrocks 06-21-2017 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1847801)
Trump's long time lawyer has lawered up. :confused:

Longtime Trump attorney hires lawyer in Russia probe - CNNPolitics.com

I just want to caution everyone here that retaining an attorney should not be seen as a sign of guilt or complicity in any illegal or unethical action. It's the same as pleading the 5th. It's the same as not speaking to the police, even when you're 100% innocent.

There are enough real concerns without talking about Russia everyday. I'm much more focused on the healthcare bill. Until Muller publishes a report, we all should turn our attention to policy.

Frownland 06-21-2017 12:33 PM

^

Chula Vista 06-21-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1848657)
^

Sends a bit of a message though.

Frownland 06-21-2017 01:09 PM

Donald Trump Announces That He Will Represent Himself in All Future Trials

Anteater 06-21-2017 01:48 PM

Interesting stuff.

The Guardian - 'I think leftism is a disorder: Republicans are the new punk" - Is this artist the rightwing Banksy?

Frownland 06-21-2017 02:11 PM

He's following through on Banksy's painfully forced mystique marketing, so the comparison isn't too off.

Frownland 06-21-2017 02:35 PM

In a way that's more ham fisted than a pig orgy.

riseagainstrocks 06-21-2017 02:51 PM

Some quotes:

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Sabo now says he is “cautiously optimistic” about the president. “The day I came to love Donald Trump was when I saw how hard he was kicking liberals in the teeth.”
So it's not about standing for something, rather it's about beating your supposed enemies.

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He claimed Islam was taking over Europe and espoused debunked conspiracy theories: Obama is a Muslim who sought to undermine America, and senior Democrats literally worship the devil and run pedophile rings. “I truly believe Hillary is demonic.”

Challenged for evidence, Sabo cited leaked emails, which online conspiracy theorists claimed proved the accusations. “I’m a fan of logic and reason.”
This is the cognitive dissonance I don't understand. Obama is a Muslim who isn't an American citizen and must provide proof after proof but asking Donald Trump to release his tax returns to demonstrate that his decisions aren't unduly influenced by his financial holdings is a bridge too far. OK...

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The fan of logic and reason also lamented America’s polarisation. “The whole climate is sick right now.” Asked if his work contributed to that sickness, Sabo shook his head. “The left are the ones who dehumanise.”
Nothing like making 160 million of your fellow Americans into a giant faceless monolith. Both sides are guilty etc., etc. However, the article is on Sabo, so I'll focus on his hypocrisy.


Well, I'm sad now. Thanks, Anteater.

Anteater 06-21-2017 03:29 PM

The guy is a walking contradiction, so I just thought it was unusual enough (and Trump related) to share. The idea of the establishment itself being anti-establishment is a curious one.

The Batlord 06-21-2017 03:46 PM

Goofle too.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 06-21-2017 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1848706)
The idea of the establishment itself being anti-establishment is a curious one.

that's not how it works

Frownland 06-23-2017 09:38 AM

I can't even be mad about this because I'm laughing too hard.

Chula Vista 06-23-2017 09:51 AM

I'm past the point of wanting to punch him in the face every time he opens his mouth.

riseagainstrocks 06-23-2017 09:51 AM

Tangentially Trump related, I find the outrage over this amusing:
Johnny Depp Jokes about Assassinating Trump

Short version, he asked "When was the last time an actor killed a President? I'm just asking the question."

So of course, the Fox and co. call him treasonous (which statutorily, he is not) and seditious (maybe closer to the mark), but fail to see the ironic, rhetorical move here (like Trump as Caesar in the play or Kathy Griffin's mostly tasteless severed head).

Moreover, they have no problem applying the double standard to Trump's own words. He bragged about being able to commit murder with no repercussion, bragged about leveraging celebrity into committing sexual assault, etc. But the best and most recent parallel I can draw is his "I hope you can see a way to letting this [Flynn thing] go". Clearly a veiled threat of potential negative consequences if James Comey did not 'let it go'.

Both men aired gross ideas and invoked the 'just saying' defense. I guess whichever one you think is less onerous is a clear indication of your political persuasion.

Frownland 06-23-2017 09:54 AM

I'm glad not giving a **** about either of them saying those things aligns with my non-affiliation.

Wpnfire 06-23-2017 10:34 AM

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

That's an overused quote, but applicable here.

As per usual, Trump's logic is confusing to the point that its impenetrable. Here's what bothers me.
  1. He implies that poor people are uninformed about the economy, which is a...weird conclusion. I know for a fact that children that grow up in a poor household always have a worse education than people who don't. From that standpoint, I guess Trump is right, but he's not nominating a child to that position, he's nominating an adult, which is entirely different. An adult can be poor for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with whether they are knowledgeable about the economy or not. That brings me to my next point which is...
  2. According to Trump's daughter, Trump was greatly in debt at some point, yet he considers himself to be an outstanding businessman—and more importantly, he maintained that he was a good businessman during this indeterminable period of low SES. That flies in the face of what he's implying here with this quote.
  3. We don't know if Trump is actually a good businessman because we don't have his financial history (i.e., his tax returns.) If he was poor at the same time he was claiming to be a good businessman, he's again contradicting himself.

Frownland 06-23-2017 10:42 AM

To be fair, I'm pretty certain that anyone who would be qualified for that (or any other) cabinet position wouldn't be poor (which I'm defining by the poverty line of ~22k/yr). Of course, this is far from hiring an exorbitantly rich businessman who built his legacy off of shady tactics, but it still stands.

Anteater 06-23-2017 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1849119)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

That's an overused quote, but applicable here.

As per usual, Trump's logic is confusing to the point that its impenetrable. Here's what bothers me.
  1. He implies that poor people are uninformed about the economy, which is a...weird conclusion. I know for a fact that children that grow up in a poor household always have a worse education than people who don't. From that standpoint, I guess Trump is right, but he's not nominating a child to that position, he's nominating an adult, which is entirely different. An adult can be poor for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with whether they are knowledgeable about the economy or not. That brings me to my next point which is...
  2. According to Trump's daughter, Trump was greatly in debt at some point, yet he considers himself to be an outstanding businessman—and more importantly, he maintained that he was a good businessman during this indeterminable period of low SES. That flies in the face of what he's implying here with this quote.
  3. We don't know if Trump is actually a good businessman because we don't have his financial history (i.e., his tax returns.) If he was poor at the same time he was claiming to be a good businessman, he's again contradicting himself.

Somebody saying they want an individual with no serious financial success track record in the position Trump is talking about is like saying you want somebody who paints fences for a living doing open heart surgery on you: I'm sure he could try, but the results would speak for themselves.

Love him or hate him, Trump has been successful in business. He's never been in a position where he's never had some form of cashflow equally hundreds of millions from one thing or another. Going through bankruptcy a few times doesn't disqualify that, since he's bounced back numerous times and continues to grow his core brand.

Its fine to debate the merits of Trump's policy decisions (since I don't agree with the majority of his cabinet picks either), but his income statements speak for themselves. His debt doesn't come anywhere near his total cashflow.

Frownland 06-23-2017 10:56 AM

Being a businessman would be great for a politician if the government operated anything like a business or if macroeconomics could be managed in a parallel way to microeconomics.

Anteater 06-23-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1849126)
Being a businessman would be great for a politician if the government operated anything like a business or if macroeconomics could be managed in a parallel way to microeconomics.

The government at its core does operate like a business in some ways, but it has so many other interests and responsibilities outside of that. It doesn't help that there are segments that are 20-30 years behind your average startup in regards to process and technology though.

Looking forward to seeing this particular initiative actually take off.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19A16Q

Janszoon 06-23-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1849125)
Somebody saying they want an individual with no serious financial success track record in the position Trump is talking about is like saying you want somebody who paints fences for a living doing open heart surgery on you: I'm sure he could try, but the results would speak for themselves.

Actually, based on that argument, the person you would want in charge of economic policy would be an economist not a random rich person.

Wpnfire 06-23-2017 11:39 AM

^ Yeah, that too.

Frownland 06-23-2017 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1849140)
Trump is not a successful anything

You're dead wrong there, he's probably the most successful charlatan and demagogue in the game right now.

OccultHawk 06-23-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1849141)
You're dead wrong there, he's probably the most successful charlatan and demagogue in the game right now.

Maybe of all time.

Frownland 06-23-2017 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1849142)
Also

The gov's job is to police business in the public interest, not to run as one

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/...bate-wrong.jpg

Not only because there's not a hard rule for the role of government, but also because if you have employees then you're a business, like it or not!

Frownland 06-23-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1849143)
Maybe of all time.

Rasputin?

OccultHawk 06-23-2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1849145)
Rasputin?

Tom Waits?

Frownland 06-23-2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1849147)
Tom Waits?

Angus Young?

OccultHawk 06-23-2017 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1849149)
Angus Young?

Coolio?

Frownland 06-23-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1849153)
Coolio?

Jerry Garcia?

Pretty sure I just won.

Chula Vista 06-23-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1849125)
Somebody saying they want an individual with no serious financial success track record in the position Trump is talking about is like saying you want somebody who has absolutely no political experience as the POTUS.

Altered.

And Elph, you nailed it. He was born with a massive silver spoon in his mouth. His biggest success is turning his name into a brand via his high profile since the 80s. He's been a tabloid wet dream since his first well publicised divorce and he smartly capitalized on that. Calling him a successful businessman is silly.

New York Times rates 61 of Trump's businesses, concludes 40% failed - Business Insider

DwnWthVwls 06-23-2017 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1849155)
he smartly capitalized on that.

Calling him a successful businessman is silly.

These two things are in direct conflict.

Frownland 06-23-2017 12:58 PM

It's so weird to me that people think branding and business are two different things. Some businesses get paid billions to handle other people's business's branding.

Chula Vista 06-23-2017 01:07 PM

So Paris Hilton leaking a sex tape is smart business?

Now that I just typed that I actually agree now.

I guess being a successful businessman vs. knowing how to successfully run businesses is more on point.

OccultHawk 06-23-2017 01:14 PM

Maybe I'm not reading this close enough but isn't winning the presidency kind of like successful by most standards?

I can't beat Jerry Garcia but I loved that psychedelic Chicano!


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