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elphenor 02-01-2017 06:04 PM

Religions are like the way we speak, the clothes we wear

Ways of identification

Not that people don't believe some of it but they pick and choose in a way that matches what they would have believed or been taught to believe anyway

The Batlord 02-01-2017 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1802099)
Not anymore garbage than the clothes we choose to wear based on culture

Islam didn't give us great **** but it isn't responsible for bad **** either

But it's still a religion based on nonsense, like all religions. And that nonsense has very real cultural implications that are not good. I understand defending Muslims in the face of Muslim hating Western douchebags, but that doesn't make what Islam has done in general any better. It's still an ideology based on the same hatred of other tribes as any other religion based on hating tribes, which is pretty much all religions. Basically I don't support defending laughable bull****, which is what religion ultimately is.

elphenor 02-01-2017 06:10 PM

Islam itself has done nothing nor has Christianity or any religion

I agree Tribalism is bad

I'm not out to defend any organized religion as something coherent but it's also pretty much benign

The Batlord 02-01-2017 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1802106)
Islam itself has done nothing nor has Christianity or any religion

I agree Tribalism is bad

I'm not out to defend any organized religion as something coherent but it's also pretty much benign

That's retarded. No book has ever done anything to anyone since it's made of non-sentient paper, but the people who read those books torture others with hot pokers in the eye. Separating a book from its readers makes no sense, and separating a religion from the people who read the books associated with that religion is likewise nonsense, cause those people ARE the religion.

elphenor 02-01-2017 06:25 PM

History is just a bit more complicated than that

the difference between a religion and a book with an actual coherent ideology (which could be dangerous) is like I said 2 people can read the same book and reach opposite conclusions

The Batlord 02-01-2017 06:27 PM

It's really not. Or at least the history of a large enough group of people and their book (Christians, Muslims, etc) is largely the history of that book.

elphenor 02-01-2017 06:31 PM

There are actual ideologies that cause these things where as religion isn't one basically

A world without religion ends up with all the same societal ills and atrocities just maybe the silly hats change

The Batlord 02-01-2017 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1802114)
There are actual ideologies that cause these things where as religion isn't one basically

And religions are ideologies. What's your point? That ideologies are garbage, including Islam? Including Wahhabism, Sunnism, Shiah, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc? I agree, despite the potential benefits of these ideologies they are all garbage, or at least have garbage beliefs.

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A world without religion ends up with all the same societal ills and atrocities just maybe the silly hats change
Duh. Ridding the world of religion would only rid the world of an excuse for people to torture and murder each other. But it's still one less excuse.

elphenor 02-01-2017 06:47 PM

Religion is not an ideology it's a self-identifying label

A Muslim is someone who says they are

A Marxist is someone who believes in rule by the proletariat

The Batlord 02-01-2017 06:52 PM

What's separate religions and ideologies?


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