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OccultHawk 02-26-2017 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1809367)
I don't know about Trevor Noah, but John Oliver is funny as ****, cockrocket.

We agree on so much it's almost like we're gay lovers!

Who are the bottom two people in those pictures?

Chula Vista 02-26-2017 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Raust (Post 1809364)
People such as Trevor Noah and John Oliver lack any firm of comedic talent.

Now you are just sounding like an idiot. Both of those guys are brilliantly funny. They wouldn't have such high profile gigs otherwise.

The Batlord 02-26-2017 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1809370)
We agree on so much it's almost like we're gay lovers!

Who are the bottom two people in those pictures?

I don't pay attention to politics for the most part anymore, so those people are just faces to me.

RoxyRollah 02-26-2017 02:36 PM





say what you want but you got some winners on the dem side too.

djchameleon 02-26-2017 05:21 PM

Not even, maybe Pelosi but not even close with the other two.

Mindfulness 02-27-2017 06:47 AM

Psy-Fi 02-27-2017 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1808956)
Dan Rather is an icon and knows a thing or two about being politically suppressed.

He also knows a thing or two about "fake news" and how it relates to U.S. Presidents. ;)

CBS Ousts 4 For Bush Guard Story - CBS News


On September 8, 2004, Rather reported on 60 Minutes Wednesday that a series of memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service record had been discovered in the personal files of Lt. Bush's former commanding officer, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian.[36] Once copies of the documents were made available on the Internet, their authenticity was quickly called into question. Much of this was based on the fact that the documents were proportionally printed and displayed using other modern typographic conventions usually unavailable on military typewriters of the 1970s. The font used on the documents has characteristics that exactly match standard font features of Microsoft Word. This led to claims that the memos were forgeries.[37] The accusations then spread over the following days into mainstream media outlets including The Washington Post,[38] The New York Times,[39] and the Chicago Sun-Times.[40]

Rather and CBS initially defended the story, insisting that the documents had been authenticated by experts.[41] CBS was contradicted by some of the experts it originally cited,[42] and later reported that its source for the documents – former Texas Army National Guard officer Lt. Col. Bill Burkett – had misled the network about how he had obtained them.[43]

On September 20, CBS retracted the story. Rather stated, "If I knew then what I know now, I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question."[44] The controversy has been referred to by some as "Memogate" and "Rathergate."[45]

Following an investigation commissioned by CBS,[46][47][48] CBS fired story producer Mary Mapes and asked three other producers connected with the story to resign. Many believe Rather's retirement was hastened by this incident.[49] On September 20, 2007, Rather was interviewed on Larry King Live commenting "Nobody has proved that they were fraudulent, much less a forgery. ... The truth of this story stands up to this day."[50]

In a 2010 issue of TV Guide, Rather's report was ranked #3 on a list of TV's ten biggest "blunders."[51]

Goofle 02-27-2017 07:17 AM

Trump: Less Authoritarian Than Obama | National Review

This article is quite good.

riseagainstrocks 02-27-2017 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1809539)

It's well written, but there are some glaring flaws in its logic.

I'll start with a positive. I don't like Judge Gorsuch's views on most major issues, but he's generally consistent and maintains a logical thread through all of them. He's a conservative in the truest sense of the word and would make a good jurist. That said, the Pure Vulcan Logic that his ilk tend to apply is woefully misplaced in the modern era. Also, his 4th Amendment 'right to privacy' interpretations are where the inconsistency appears (for me at least). He's ruled that 'No Trespassing' signs on private property are enough to require a warrant to even step on the lawn to knock on the door, but also believes that the State has a compelling interest in preventing abortion.

The article is also nominally correct in saying that preventing the EPA from using interpretation to use new information to better apply the Clean Air Act is not authoritarian. Yes, but it also flies in the face of logic. An agency charged with protecting the environment uses new data to update guidelines under a mandate it was given 30 years ago... sounds more like a government agency understanding the red tape of Washington and instead relying on experts to help it fulfill its legal purpose than a bunch of anti-corporate hippies making life tough for Big Coal.

DeVos and Pruitt and most of the other appointees are where the authoritarianism rears its head. It's a kind of corporate authoritarianism where money is always correct (these people are rich, therefore they must be smart!) and expertise is derided as liberalism run amok. It's the stark black and white authoritarianism of 'part of this system isn't working, therefore we burn it all down and impose my vision' rather than, 'part of this system isn't working, therefore let's fix this part and keep the part that works'.

Finally, authoritarianism isn't just men with machine guns on the street corner or dead journalists, it's also the inability to speak truth to power. Every lie, every half-truth, every shady deal, every personal enrichment (literally pick one: travel ban, hotels in Dubai, inauguration attendance, terror attacks in Sweden) - this is also authoritarianism; harnassing the organs of state for personal enhancement, gains for the faithful few, let chance or God sort out the res; keep the public disoriented, distracted; host campaign rallies for 2020 in February 2017... because it's definitely NOT about the cheering crowds, right Donald?

We don't live in a dictatorship and I'm not worried that Trump will transform the country into one. He's so personally odious that even his supporters don't much like him. As far as cults of personality go, he doesn't have a great one. What's hurting us is his gaslighting of the media. It's calculated to undermine public confidence in the truth, to make it so the truth only comes from the seat of power. It's a subtle change, but one that can have a profound influence on generations to come. News has always had an element of self-selection, but now it's bubble city. Don't like immigrants? We have news about all the rapes and murders by immigrants you can stomach. Love immigrants? Here's a heartwarming story about a poor Mexican family making it in America. We already have alternative narrative. Now with alternative facts, you can make a full-fledged alternative reality.

A bit long sorry. Mostly because I hate that line 'it's not as bad as it could be', which the article is putting forth. They are correct that the man is not a 24/7 monster. That's because he's not the only one with power. The GOP has a few good men left and they're using their influence where it counts (such as Gorsuch). But when you have men like Steve Bannon whispering in your ear (the man is as close to Wormtongue as we've seen in American politics) and a cabinent full of people who actively tried to destroy the institutions they now head, as a means to enrich themselves, you have the seeds of authoritarianism. The article childishly ignores that to point to a few bright/neutral spots from the past 5 weeks.

elphenor 02-27-2017 08:45 AM

Obama was a gross authoritarian as well but not for the reasons mentioned in the article those are things the federal government already had the right indeed the responsibility of doing

For example on the trans issue. Personal rights come before States rights
The states were the authoritarian actors

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