They certainly can be.

Corporations will never stop trying to lobby government, but the government are the ones who keep that door open. As I said before...cut the money out. It'll be magical.

To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded". :)

Have I ever been an advocate for deregulated big business over government? I think government can be worse, but nobody wants to live in the universe of Snow Crash either.

So how do you intend to remove money from politics? Besides magic?

I know Libertarian thinking is simpleminded. But I will grant that I don't know to what degree you subscribe to it.

Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read.

If today's people can't solve this problem, I'll just hope the superhumans of 2029 that Kurzweil talks about can build a better government than what we've seen so far. :D

http://www.trunews.com/article/futur...ly-12-yrs-away

You'd have to qualify what you think is so simpleminded about Libertarian thinking so that we could talk about it reasonably.

I find it more fun to debate fiscal issues than social ones. I am fiscally conservative in most respects, so that's why you perceive me that way.

Libertarians aren't the only ones that want to get money out of politics. There's an emerging group of progressives on the left that wants to do the same as well. It was being spear headed by Bernie Sanders but just because he didn't win the primary doesn't mean it has died off. The movement is still there it just hasn't gotten to the stage of naming itself a certain party name yet.

This is very true. Most people that are for less regulations just want to get away with destroying the environment and abusing their workers in the process of attempting to gain more profit.


Also for all of Anteater's talk about how inefficient the government is, well without the government we wouldn't have: the computer, the internet, the rocket technology to go to the moon/space and launch satellites, etc

NASA and DoD have a lot of key inventions under their belt
most of the key life changing technological advances of the 20th century actually came about thanks to government funded research during and after World War 2.

Justice Democrats??

https://justicedemocrats.com/platform

Yeah I guess that's pretty much it. Thought they would go with a different name.

You guys focus too much on labels. The moment you start using these identities you lose focus on facts. Like the fact that we are all humans and we all pretty much want what is best for the country. And you focus more on your tribe winning. You add a degree of separation to make it easier to dismiss or hate the other tribes and every single thing becomes an us vs. them scenario. That's how politics has always worked, I guess, but I feel as though **** would be much more efficient if we could forget these stupid ****ing titles and labels and focus on being humans and listening and understanding and making compromises based on those things rather than hyperbole and slandering each other.

**** it, that **** won't happen.

You know that means you can't be a juggalo anymore right?