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elphenor 02-28-2017 05:00 PM

Like for example maybe invest in saving the actual planet we're already ****ing on before you go opening up a new one

Do you know what I mean

I'm especially opposed to ideas that we are going to colonize another planet and so we're all good to trash this one but that's a different thing

Frownland 02-28-2017 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1809988)
I'm always divided on this because the kid in me is like space exploration badass!

But there's not necessarily a point to it, there are much better things in science to invest in

But then maybe this is the only way we get science funding at all and any science funding usually pays off

Conclusion: idk

I think we have a lot to learn from other planets. Space exploration could shatter our own laws of science if we find exceptions to them, which can advance us in ways we would have never thought possible. There's also the fact that the ability to get to space and explore it requires a lot of things that can be useful outside of astronomy. I was similarly wary of it years ago but have since come to support advancing science where possible.

The Batlord 02-28-2017 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1809988)
I'm always divided on this because the kid in me is like space exploration badass!

But there's not necessarily a point to it, there are much better things in science to invest in

But then maybe this is the only way we get science funding at all and any science funding usually pays off

Conclusion: idk

Considering the potential benefit to future population growth from colonization, and the increase in resources if mining other planets ever becomes economically feasible, I'd say space travel is probably one of the most worthwhile things we can invest money in, even if the benefits aren't felt for generations.

And just from a personal standpoint, putting all your efforts into pragmatic concerns like poverty and whatnot just feels too utilitarian. I'd rather be a little frivolous and allow our race to actually indulge its ****ing imagination.

elphenor 02-28-2017 05:05 PM

That's easy to say because you aren't the one starving (yet)

Frownland 02-28-2017 05:06 PM

I could eat.

elphenor 02-28-2017 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1809992)
There's also the fact that the ability to get to space and explore it requires a lot of things that can be useful outside of astronomy. I was similarly wary of it years ago but have since come to support advancing science where possible.

This is the part I agree with

NASA provided a wealth of tech as an offshoot of space exploration

But as for new discoveries I feel like at this point there is not much we can learn from sending humans into space that isn't already being discovered through more efficient tools

The Batlord 02-28-2017 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1809995)
That's easy to say because you aren't the one starving (yet)

Duh. Spending money on things that give us actual culture will probably always seem like a criminally pointless waste of resources to someone below the poverty line, but if you went down that road then the entire music industry would likewise be a complete waste of time that could be better spent on doing things that tangibly improved the lives of others. Spending money on frivolous things that stick with the human race long after they are built or discovered or accomplished or chiseled (music, the Pyramids, the moon landing, etc) gives the human race "texture" and personality that makes the world more than just a depressing collection of Soviet housing blocks.

elphenor 02-28-2017 05:13 PM

Then on a further macro level scientific discoveries do little to improve the majority of people's lives unless we have the sort of policies in place that demand it

New technology has only benefitted the Uber wealthy for the past 30-40 years for the most part beyond frivolous consumer goods

The coming generation will not even have a higher life expectancy than the previous for example

Frownland 02-28-2017 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1810000)
This is the part I agree with

NASA provided a wealth of tech as an offshoot of space exploration

But as for new discoveries I feel like at this point there is not much we can learn from sending humans into space that isn't already being discovered through more efficient tools

Like sending monkeys to space or what?

Frownland 02-28-2017 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1810005)

New technology has only benefitted the Uber wealthy for the past 30-40 years for the most part

Nah, I think that the ubiquitousness of the internet has done wonders for knowledge in the lower classes.

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The coming generation will not even higher life expectancy Tham the previous for example
Meh, I've heard that conjectured but I was never really sold on the reasons because they count on things never changing and forget that there's more than dying to the death rate.


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