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elphenor 02-28-2017 05:47 PM

I also want to say that from what I understand from science documentaries actual colonization sounds incredibly impractical and a huge waste if that's the end game

But full discretion part of my biases against it has to be due to me understanding domestic economics and having only a popular science grasp of of the "great beyond"

Frownland 02-28-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1810034)
I also want to say that from what I understand from science documentaries actual colonization sounds incredibly impractical and a huge waste if that's the end game

But full discretion part of my biases against it has to be due to me understanding domestic economics and having only a popular science grasp of of the "great beyond"

There will be a lot of distance to cover agriculturally before colonization will be practical. Imagine if we could make anaerobic GMO foods so we can make crops without having to seal in oxygen? I'm gonna go invent that now actually, be back in five.

elphenor 02-28-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1810020)

Reaching for the stars to explore a universe beyond our own tiny little mudball is a beautiful thing, and shouldn't be cast aside simply because it doesn't obviously and immediately improve quality of life.

Would not a world without famine or disease be awe inspiring?

something almost beyond our imagination?

why take our already pretty trash society to another planet without fixing it first?

elphenor 02-28-2017 05:56 PM

The way things are now you're still working that same ****ty Burger King job when you get to the Moon and I'm still selling $1 Mars Bars on Mars

The Batlord 02-28-2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1810025)
And should it be cast aside if it hurts quality of life for the masses just to fund it?

Like **** I think you understand what science may or may not have to gain from space exploration.

And any money spent, publicly or privately, on anything that can be considered frivolous can potentially hurt quality of life for someone. How much money do you spend on guitars that you could be donating to charity? Could you have bought a less expensive house and still lived comfortably? And yet the money you spend on things you don't necessarily need is spent to make yourself happy, meaning that it isn't a waste cause the only thing worth pursuing in life is fulfillment, whether your own or that of others.

I'm not saying there isn't a limit to money that should be spent on space exploration, or that if quality of life falls to below a certain threshold that we won't need to make a judgement call, but if money can be put into the space program without putting undue hardship on society then by **** let's do it.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1810029)
You just want to be able to fight in space battles.

Anybody who doesn't want to go into space and shoot lasers is dead inside.

The Batlord 02-28-2017 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1810040)
Would not a world without famine or disease be awe inspiring?

something almost beyond our imagination?

why take our already pretty trash society to another planet without fixing it first?

You only think our society is ****ty cause you're a young, jaded kid who's found easy answers in socialism. All things considered we're fine.

elphenor 02-28-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1810047)
All things considered we're fine.

"fine" is all a matter of perspective so this is a statement that is impossible to argue

I do not consider the world we live in to be "fine" we have a huge list of issues and downright atrocities taking place daily

Frownland 02-28-2017 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1810044)

And any money spent, publicly or privately, on anything that can be considered frivolous can potentially hurt quality of life for someone. How much money do you spend on guitars that you could be donating to charity? Could you have bought a less expensive house and still lived comfortably? And yet the money you spend on things you don't necessarily need is spent to make yourself happy, meaning that it isn't a waste cause the only thing worth pursuing in life is fulfillment, whether your own or that of others.

To be fair, there is a massive difference in the ethical standards of an individual and a government, so this is a false equivalency.

The Batlord 02-28-2017 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1810048)
"fine" is all a matter of perspective so this is a statement that is impossible to argue

I do not consider the world we live in to be "fine" we have a huge list of issues and downright atrocities taking place daily

By a vast margin I would rather live in a Western country right now than any other place at any time. We're fine. And when it comes time to blast off and colonize Mars we'll probably be even better off.

elphenor 02-28-2017 06:05 PM

Yes but the majority of people don't even live in a Western country

and "better than any place in time" is not saying much have you no imagination?

You want to compare us to when we used to **** in buckets well yeah we're doing alright

The majority of every generation has said that things are "fine" btw because they had nothing but the past to compare it to


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