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Janszoon 03-19-2017 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815060)
To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded". :)

I know Libertarian thinking is simpleminded. But I will grant that I don't know to what degree you subscribe to it.

Chula Vista 03-19-2017 12:16 PM

Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read.

Anteater 03-19-2017 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1815061)
So how do you intend to remove money from politics? Besides magic?

If today's people can't solve this problem, I'll just hope the superhumans of 2029 that Kurzweil talks about can build a better government than what we've seen so far. :D

http://www.trunews.com/article/futur...ly-12-yrs-away

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815066)
I know Libertarian thinking is simpleminded. But I will grant that I don't know to what degree you subscribe to it.

You'd have to qualify what you think is so simpleminded about Libertarian thinking so that we could talk about it reasonably.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1815069)
Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read.

I find it more fun to debate fiscal issues than social ones. I am fiscally conservative in most respects, so that's why you perceive me that way.

djchameleon 03-19-2017 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815033)

Real change will only occur if you can get money out of politics. That won't happen under a Democratic or Republican administration. You need something resembling the Libertarian ideal to be embraced by the mainstream voter.

Libertarians aren't the only ones that want to get money out of politics. There's an emerging group of progressives on the left that wants to do the same as well. It was being spear headed by Bernie Sanders but just because he didn't win the primary doesn't mean it has died off. The movement is still there it just hasn't gotten to the stage of naming itself a certain party name yet.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815055)
No, I grew up from having simpleminded libertarian anti-government knee-jerk views to understanding that government—which is rife with it's own problems—is one of the only things that can curb corporate abuses.

This is very true. Most people that are for less regulations just want to get away with destroying the environment and abusing their workers in the process of attempting to gain more profit.


Also for all of Anteater's talk about how inefficient the government is, well without the government we wouldn't have: the computer, the internet, the rocket technology to go to the moon/space and launch satellites, etc

NASA and DoD have a lot of key inventions under their belt
most of the key life changing technological advances of the 20th century actually came about thanks to government funded research during and after World War 2.

DwnWthVwls 03-19-2017 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1815168)
The movement is still there it just hasn't gotten to the stage of naming itself a certain party name yet.

Justice Democrats??

https://justicedemocrats.com/platform

djchameleon 03-19-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1815172)

Yeah I guess that's pretty much it. Thought they would go with a different name.

Lucem Ferre 03-20-2017 02:10 AM

You guys focus too much on labels. The moment you start using these identities you lose focus on facts. Like the fact that we are all humans and we all pretty much want what is best for the country. And you focus more on your tribe winning. You add a degree of separation to make it easier to dismiss or hate the other tribes and every single thing becomes an us vs. them scenario. That's how politics has always worked, I guess, but I feel as though **** would be much more efficient if we could forget these stupid ****ing titles and labels and focus on being humans and listening and understanding and making compromises based on those things rather than hyperbole and slandering each other.

**** it, that **** won't happen.

DwnWthVwls 03-20-2017 08:24 AM

You know that means you can't be a juggalo anymore right?

Chula Vista 03-20-2017 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1815231)
You guys focus too much on labels.

Thing is, for most people their ideologies pretty much align with one of the two parties. Which results in them leaning towards a certain candidate that supports their ideologies.

As long as the majority of republicans are against pro-choice and womens rights to their bodies, are against wall street and banking regulations, are against fair taxes for the rich and big business, are against sensible gun control measures, are against keeping the bible the **** out of schools and government, are against equal rights for the LBGT community, are against regulations that protect the environment and worker safety, and are always FOR legislation and cuts that benefit the wealthy while screwing over blue collar and low income people, I will not vote for them.

Trump represents all of the above. Plus he's an arrogant, entitled, lying, two faced dick. Makes him an easy target for me.

And in other news.....

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"I have been authorized by the DOJ to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election – and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government. And whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russian’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed." - James Comey before congress this morning

The Batlord 03-20-2017 10:01 AM

Most people are idiots tho.


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