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elphenor 03-19-2017 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1814989)
This is hands down my least favourite cliche ftr.

You're gonna give yourself carpal tunnel if you keep patting yourself on the back like that man.

It's also not even true funny enough

Studies show people decide their politics at a young age and then confirmation bias through adulthood mostly

Anteater 03-19-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815035)
Heavy handed assumptions are pointless. Let me know if you end your love affair with them.

Let me know when you guys can do better than generalities about how government is so great and how they'll always look out for the people as long as the word "Democrat" is in there somewhere.

bulbasaur 03-19-2017 11:48 AM

those quotes in anteater's sig are fake, right

Frownland 03-19-2017 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815037)
Let me know when you guys can do better than generalities about how government is so great and how they'll always look out for the people as long as the word "Democrat" is in there somewhere.

Who's speaking in generalities? You do realize blanket assumptions in the opposite direction are just as moronic as what you describe here, right?

Janszoon 03-19-2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815005)
See, that wasn't so hard. If Janszoon can do it, anyone can!

At least you have the common sense to recognize that not all corporations are as you describe. Still doesn't provide a strong argument against the problems I've already illustrated about government though. It's like you read two sentences of my post and then went off on a tangent about corporations.

No, it's like I read your "when you grow up you'll get more conservative" comment and provided a counterexample.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815005)
See, I can decide whether or not I want to buy from a company. I don't get a say in how my taxes are used but the government takes it anyway (state and federal alike). Hence, from my perspective, the government has always been worse than any company and far scarier.

I'm familiar with the libertarian fantasy world, thanks. I used to consider myself somewhat of a libertarian, then I grew up. Maybe someday you'll grow up too. ;)

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815005)
Also, most of your criticisms about the corporate world apply to government, so if your goal was to support my argument then you hit the jackpot.

The comparison was intentional, congratulations on partially understanding something I articulated to you. It doesn't support your argument though, it highlights the fact that corporations have the downsides that governments have without having even the theoretical positive of protecting people.

Anteater 03-19-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815041)
No, it's like I read your "when you grow up you'll get more conservative" comments and provided a counterexample.

Sure. When you grow up you realize the government isn't exactly looking out for you. Believing otherwise is a fantasy. I never suggested corporations were an alternative to government (since we are forced to deal with some form of government no matter how you slice it): you made that leap.


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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815041)
I'm familiar with the libertarian fantasy world, thanks. I used to consider myself somewhat of a libertarian, then I grew up. Maybe someday you'll grow up too. ;)

So you "grew up" from being skeptical of government to believing that they're the answer to the world's problems because Bush and Obama said nice things on T.V.? Looks like a step down to me. ;)


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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815041)
The comparison was intentional, congratulations on partially understanding something I articulated to you. It doesn't support your argument though, it highlights the fact that corporations have the downsides that governments have without having even the theoretical positive of protecting people.

I understood everything you articulated to me: I just thought it was a pointless of you to do so since the only reason you argued against me appears to be "Anteater is wrong for not "believing" in government like I do".

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815040)
Who's speaking in generalities? You do realize blanket assumptions in the opposite direction are just as moronic as what you describe here, right?

All I did was propose a possible solution only to get dismissed for basically no reason. You can't have this both ways where you acknowledge you guys are being petty and generalizing and then criticize me just because I think there's merit to certain aspects of conservatism.

Janszoon 03-19-2017 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815051)
Sure. When you grow up you realize the government isn't exactly looking out for you. Believing otherwise is a fantasy. I never suggested corporations were an alternative to that: you made that leap.

Never said the government was. I said they're one of the only levers we have to use against corporations.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815051)
So you "grew up" from being skeptical of government to believing that they're the answer to the world's problems because Bush and Obama said nice things on T.V.?

No, I grew up from having simpleminded libertarian anti-government knee-jerk views to understanding that government—which is rife with it's own problems—is one of the only things that can curb corporate abuses.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815051)
I understood everything you articulated to me: I just thought it was a pointless of you to make since the only reason you argued against me appears to be "Anteater is wrong for not "believing" in government like I do".

Apparently you didn't understand, considering your descriptions of my position.

The Batlord 03-19-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815033)
Real change will only occur if you can get money out of politics. That won't happen under a Democratic or Republican administration. You need something resembling the Libertarian ideal to be embraced by the mainstream voter.

Cause when gubment takes its hands off big business, big business returns the favor? Yeah ok bud.

Anteater 03-19-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815055)
Never said the government was. I said they're one of the only levers we have to use against corporations.

They certainly can be.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815055)
No, I grew up from having simpleminded libertarian anti-government knee-jerk views to understanding that government—which is rife with it's own problems—is one of the only things that can curb corporate abuses.

Corporations will never stop trying to lobby government, but the government are the ones who keep that door open. As I said before...cut the money out. It'll be magical.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815055)
Apparently you didn't understand, considering your descriptions of my position.

To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded". :)

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1815057)
Cause when gubment takes its hands off big business, big business returns the favor? Yeah ok bud.

Have I ever been an advocate for deregulated big business over government? I think government can be worse, but nobody wants to live in the universe of Snow Crash either.

The Batlord 03-19-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815060)
They certainly can be.



Corporations will never stop trying to lobby government, but the government are the ones who keep that door open. As I said before...cut the money out. It'll be magical.



To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded". :)

So how do you intend to remove money from politics? Besides magic?


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