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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-06-2017 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1792045)
There's politics. And then there's POLITICS!

tbh this sounds like something Trump would say

riseagainstrocks 01-06-2017 01:56 PM

Yay, political threads!

As a left-leaning centrist, Trump's election was shocking and disappointing. Personality flaws aside, I was bothered by his campaign's unwillingness to discuss issues or policy, outside of purposefully inflammatory anti-immigrant rhetoric and heavily distorted allegations against Hilary Clinton. There was a lot of "I will do" not "I will lead us to" or "I will work with" - I think he fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the job. Trumo voters effectively elected Mike Pence as president. I hope they knew that going in to the voting booth.

Trying to maintain a positive attitude on this whole thing, I think Trump's election will force discussion on many issues that have been deemed political third rails. Social Security and the retirement age, our relationships with other countries (Russia has been a political enemy, but not engaging out of "tradition" is just as stupid as not engaging with Cuba for 70 years), and First Amendment issues surrounding Speech, the Press, and Public Religion. Trump causes friction on all these issues. It forces all sides to sharpen arguments and work to convince the public. For instance, I'd like to see UK-style libel laws implemented here. Intentional falsehoods, disguised as fact are poison to a republic. How this would look or work or if it's even desirable, I don't know. But the 'fake news' issues that dogged this election will force some kind of reaction and, in the aggregate, I think that's a good thing.

We're not as stupid as our comedians and the world at large things we are. Just over 50% of eligible voters participated in the 2016 race. Apathy is not the same as stupidity. Trump's outrages will inspire greater political participation. As others have said in this thread, he's not a dictator, he's not a king, the Constitution has not been supplanted. This will likely be a test of our system, but the what became the Imperial Presidency began under a Progressive (FDR) and was expanded by Obama (somewhat due to congressional intransigence, but that's another story), so liberals have little moral high ground to protest against executive orders.

I do have to say to whoever put the 'milo <3' tag in this thread, you should really re-evaluate this sentiment. He hides behind the mantle of 'free speech' when he rants about feminism and Islam, but he's inciting hatred through misinformation, hyperbole, and what can only be called 'memeism'. The dumb-ing down of culture starts when guys like him.

Chula Vista 01-06-2017 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1792063)
ROFL you weren't saying that when you were declaring that Hillary was the most evil person alive in modern times.

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:clap::clap::clap:

elphenor 01-06-2017 04:07 PM

Yes the "Americans are stupid" meme is only partly true as I've already pointed out Trump lost the popular vote

We have a lot of people living in isolated rural areas spread across the country

Chula Vista 01-06-2017 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1792111)

We have a lot of people living in isolated rural areas spread across the country who watch Fox news.

And swallow it whole.

Goofle 01-06-2017 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1792111)
Yes the "Americans are stupid" meme is only partly true as I've already pointed out Trump lost the popular vote

We have a lot of people living in isolated rural areas spread across the country

I think Trump would have won the popular vote if that was the deciding factor at the outset.

Frownland 01-06-2017 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1792144)
And swallow it whole.

Almost as bad as those Huffpost disciples.

Chula Vista 01-06-2017 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1792146)
I think Trump would have won the popular vote if that was the deciding factor at the outset.

Splain Luzee. As of today she beat him by nearly 3 million votes and a full 2 percentage points.

And there's this just released today:

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The US intelligence community concluded in a declassified report released Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an "influence campaign" aimed at hurting Hillary Clinton and helping Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

The campaign -- which consisted of hacking Democratic groups and individuals, including Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, and releasing that information via third-party websites, including WikiLeaks -- amounted to what the intelligence report called "a significant escalation" in longtime Russian efforts to undermine "the US-led liberal democratic order."

The report was the first official, full and public accounting by the US intelligence community of its assessment of Russian cyberhacking activities during the 2016 campaign and the motivations behind that hacking.

"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump," the report said.
Full report here:

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ng-report.html

elphenor 01-06-2017 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1792146)
I think Trump would have won the popular vote if that was the deciding factor at the outset.

Almost certainly not

I already explained this to you though

I'm sorry that it really gets under your skin that your guy was rejected by Americans as a whole

elphenor 01-06-2017 09:23 PM

wanted to embed a tweet here


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