Putting the cart in front of the horse, eh?

Border Patrol is already one of the largest agencies in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._Border_Patrol

You see them all over the place here in San Diego. For every one cop, I'll see a dozen border patrol agents.

People really need to take some time and study the actual border. 95% of it is in the middle of nowhere through desert, mountains, rivers, and complete wasteland.

What's the difference? They are literally the exact same thing. It's a campaign tactic, the people at the rally didn't get excited he was building a wall.. They got excited he was building a wall that reinforced a border where most of our illegal immigration comes from.

I'm not supporting him. I'm not saying it wasn't distasteful. I'm saying "improving" our borders to reduce illegal immigration is not racist. I already admitted I'm not sure how much of a problem illegal immigration creates, but the common consensus is that it is a problem, so he took that ideology and built a campaign around it. There is nothing inherently racist about that, regardless if he is a racist, the policy addresses problems with immigration.

Yeh and? You're still addressing Trump. For the last time, I don't care about Trump. I care about policy. Show me how bolstering a preexisting structure, that no one ever thought about before the Trump campaign, is racist.

I'm flattered you think that, but no, I don't have an elephant dick.

It's a good use of money to people that think immigration is a problem. People that think illegal immigrants are taking jobs, not paying taxes, receiving more benefits, etc. I'm not gonna argue this because it's a fickle situation and I don't know a god damn thing about the economic impact of illegal immigration or the cost of stricter border control.

Ya, I gotta ask too DWV. Are you simply acting obtuse just to further the conversation?

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...n-racism-power

You guys are so hell bent on smearing shit on everything Trump that you can't objectively distinguish between policy and character.

Can you point to one example in his entire campaign when he called out legal immigration from Mexico? Give me one example, and I'll stfu.

No, you guys just aren't trying to understand him.

The policy is not racist. It appeals to racists, yes, but it also appeals to people that think illegal immigration is an economic burden. Which is where the initial support comes from.

Racists support freedom of speech so they can say what ever racist crap they want. Does that mean everybody that supports freedom of speech is a racist? No.

The WALL had nothing, NOTHING to do with policy. Not once. It'll never get built. It's an impossible engineering feat. The government will never approve the funds. Mexico was never going to pay for it. Trump knew this all along.

For all extensive purposes, every time Trump brought up THE WALL he may have just as well waved a conferderate flag. It was 100% symbolizem from day one. He used it as a totem to galvanize a portion of white America who are pissed off that they are becomming less and less of a majority voice in the country.

Still attacking Trump.. I'll just keep asking the same question until you admit you don't have an example or come up with another way to show me how the policy/idea(whatever you want to call it) is racist. People have a right to be upset about and criticize illegal immigration without spreading racist ideology.

Can you point to one example in his entire campaign when he called out legal immigration from Mexico? Give me one example, and I'll stfu.

So you know for a fact that it only appealed to racist America and the people that think illegal immigration is an economic burden didn't support it?

But I obviously did... and proved you wrong multiple times... sorryn****.

Putting racism aside for a bit....wouldn't whatever race happens to be the majority in a given state or even the whole U.S. eventually become racist or nationalistic toward anyone but themselves? White, Black, Latino, etc. That's been true of most cultures throughout the world anyway.

Coming from the dude that just dismisses the other people as racist rather than having a constructive conversation most the time.

Either way, study harder.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Did Trump talk about economic burdens? No. He talked about drugs, rapists, criminals, and "bad hombres". He wasn't talking about economic issues during his rallies, he was talking about fear and bias. The wall was a symbol from day one, not an actual solution to anything. Again, a totem.

Seriously, I'm pretty confident you're not an idiot, but the way you have conducted yourself in this thread really makes it seem like you're just here to stir the pot. Multiple people have pointed this out, you're quickly becoming "that guy".

Social evolution isn't impossible. Creating excuses to tolerate it ins't great either.

Who? Me or him? With me? Yeah, kinda. I get annoyed when people don't use facts and would rather just call **** racist or condescend or you seen the ****. So I challenge them. I haven't seen anybody call me out on it though.

The US is a melting pot though. When you talk about race are you talking about simply skin color? 95% of this country doesn't have roots on US soil that date back more than a few generations. So what race are you talking about?

No? I think every generation has become increasingly accepting and less racist.

I like how you put racism aside and then addressed another topic about racism though :D

no, elph. no one cares about your juggalo ass.

How's about some meta analysis?

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...8/2/024024/pdf

But I washed my ass, so you're wrong about it.

It's something I've seen brought up before in a few think pieces related to Black Lives Matter (among others). The argument being that even though the U.S. is a melting pot, no matter which "culture" reigns it will inevitably be racist to some degree if they achieve any kind of longstanding majority.

I don't know if social evolution is truly possible with the way things are, but I think there's some merit to the analysis. Acknowledging racism as a problem all people share instead of just whoever the perceived majority is would be a start to fixing it. That won't happen under a Trump administration here of course...

It was also mentioned that you have some people screaming about white privilege, for instance, but there are many "non-racist" whites who feel as though there are places they are not welcome because they are white.

No, by stir the pot I mean you come off as a condescending jerk off with a holier than thou attitude towards everyone who doesn't agree with you. No grammar, pointless ad hominem attacks, no evidence to support your claims, no attempts to actually educate anyone civilly.. the list goes on and on. You're not interested in having a discussion, you're interested in being intellectually superior and half the time you don't even support what you say with examples or evidence or any sort of explanation. I'm the first one to admit when I'm naive to a subject or say I'm wrong, you're honestly the only person who I find it difficult to have a civilized discussion with in this thread because you act like a child, which is why I deliberately ignored you before when I was having a nice debate with Frown.

I'm here to learn from others and open up my mind by considering things I may have never thought of otherwise. I also hope that in some instances I can do the same for others.

And I learned something today from this boring ass paper.

Pretty much this. Happened earlier in this thread to me during a back and forth I had with duga.

Elph is a good kid though. I know deep down in there he's got a soul as pure as Jon Anderson's (from Yes).

I think it is possible, and I agree with your first point.

For the second one, white privilege is referring to the advantages white people have at succeeding in life do to our cultural background. White people are more likely to grow up in better neighborhoods, go to better schools, etc. because of the history of this country. The idea of it gets really watered down and often lost by people that like to scream it out every chance they get. Try hard SJWs that do more harm than good.

Some of us pay for that kind of thing.

But you actually didn't.

I'm not gonna go back and point out multiple examples where I made points and you either blew them off or talked down to me without addressing the point. I was just letting you know how I feel, and how you're coming off in case it wasn't obvious enough when multiple other people have pointed it out. I hope in the future you take what I had to say into consideration, because I think you do have something to offer in the conversation, you just don't do it in a way that's beneficial to anyone.

And I made several points showing that the "really big border" is irrelevant.

Of course we have to ignore those. It's totally just as easy to immigrate to Canada despite the numbers saying other wise.

Just finished watching "Arrival". Kinda makes this entire thread (including all of my input) seem really ****ing stupid and silly at the same time.

Ofc its stupid but its a good place to have fun or vent. Now Go watch the short film DJ posted so i have some to talk to.

Linky?

It had a ****ty ending Don.

Just think of him as our JWB from the left side of the aisle. ;)

No it didn't

I didn't even realize there was an ending.

HA! I get it.