It's the reality if you understand demographics (75% being a comical exaggeration)

This is something Republicans understand too

All the major cities save for San Antonio already lean blue
and every year less of the population is rural and less of the population is white

Aditionally younger people are much more sympathetic to socialism and as they reach prime voting age there will be an even larger shift

They will be until they realize that ultimately they're just putting money into the pockets of the white liberal elite who tend to be beholden to Wall-Street as opposed to the principles of their European liberal forefathers. Then they'll shift back toward conservatism and become Libertarian like me. :laughing:

And my point is that the working poor -- be they brown, white, black, or purple -- only vote democrat because of economic issues, not social ones. If the Republican party ever significantly changes its attitudes and tactics regarding minorities and the poor (which I imagine it will have to) then don't be surprised if many of them start voting red. You're allies atm, but that doesn't mean they believe the same things you do.

White conservative elite >>>>>> White liberal elite

This is just flat out incorrect though I understand why you'd believe it

The working poor do not vote Democrat

Unlessss, wait for it, they are non-white

This is because culture determines most people's politics more so than any issues

Why do working poor whites support Trump?

Culture, culture, culture

Duh. Doesn't matter. The poor don't vote your way because they give a **** about socialism. Take away their distrust of the Republican party and you get more Republicans. Or at least you get a fighting chance of them choosing social issues over economic ones.

Right that's why it's incorrect to say the working poor care about economic issues

They don't.

Latinos are culturally left because starting generations back Democrats stopped **** talking them and Repubs didn't

The only way to even begin to change that would be rewrite their immigration policy which would cost Repubs as many whites as they'd stand to gain in Latinos

I have to wonder if you meant to say social issues and not economic?

I think you just didn't know what I said. The poor choose economic issues now, but agree with the Republicans on social ones. Clear?

Conservatism isn't going to die just because the Republican party is currently losing the culture wars. Give it a generation and the party will have changed out of necessity. I suspect it will be less about white vs. everyone else, and more about the elite vs. the 99%. All it will take is reframing the argument along class culture lines rather than race culture. I suppose the Democrats could change back to supporting the working class rather than the liberal intellectuals, but it would probably easier for the Republicans to start supporting the poor rather than the Democrats to go back on their moral values and leave behind their social liberalism.

This is all conjecture of course, but the political lines have to bend sooner or later.

No they don't though lol
It's neither of those things

Latinos across the board regardless of income vote Democrat because from civil rights onward Dems have refrained from **** talking them

It's similar to the reason African Americans are going to be firmly Democratic for the foreseeable future

Repubs played the short term game Dems are very likely to win out in the long term

The political demographics shifted decades ago, with Democrats switching from racist stances to socially liberal ones. So don't think that the current political demographics are static. The Democratic party is poised to take the lead in the near future if the current racial demographic continues to shift as it has, and so they don't really need to change too much, whereas the Republicans will be forced to drastically change their approach or die. And they will. The tipping point likely being when Texas flips due to rising Latino population.

If the Repubs drop the sneaky racial politics, boost their minority leadership numbers to include more Latinos, and start trying to relate to them on a personal/cultural level (i.e. "These liberals aren't your people since they care about gay marriage and abortion and feminism and atheism and whatnot, and not actually anything that you care about") then it's only a matter of time until they start gaining ground.

And white Southerners aren't all of a sudden going to flip Democrat just because their leaders are courting brown people, so the Republicans will have very little to lose and everything to gain by going this route.

I think you may be right, but it's still a gamble. The ideological shift between the parties you mentioned happened for just this reason - the Democrats elected a progressive Catholic in the 60s, so they freaked out and ran to the Republicans. Don't underestimate how self righteous and single minded the extremist bases of these parties can be.

They also shifted because of unprecedented social reforms that ended segregation in an era when white Southerners were willing to support something like segregation. That's quite a bit more extreme than simply trying to make nice with Latinos. It is a gamble, but much less of one than in the past.

It's all relative. I feel like the people of the 60s were much more informed than people today. In a world where a large chunk of us don't believe in evolution, don't know that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing, and take the Bowling Green massacre as fact and run with it...favoring Latinos might be enough.

Like I said, you are probably right...but ****, no one thought Trump would be president. So I try to prepare for anything.

Repubs tried appealing to Latinos with Rubio

He was basically disqualified immediately by talking about Latinos as if they're human beings

You're not understanding how important white nationalism is to the Republican base

It's not that they'll switch Democrat but they won't show up for a pro immigration candidate

Not only that but Latinos didn't buy that **** at all lol

I've been alive for almost 57 years and have lived through a lot of ****. Kennedy's funeral on the B&W television being one of my earliest clear memories. Then Bobby, MLK, Vietnam, Watergate, Kent State, 72 Munich Olympics, and on and on and on and on......

Sitting in front of the television on election night and slowly seeing the results inch towards his victory was the only time in my life when the logical portion of my brain turned completely inside out.

It wasn't a gut punch like The Challenger or 9/11. It was more like realizing my country had once and for all truly lost its collective mind.

Just stating a perspective. Not looking for any debates.

I don't think the country is any different than it was when Obama won it was just a perfect storm Trump is more like a natural disaster

From film producer Scott Mednick:

Of course it is different. The people working in industrial areas aren't doing well so they changed and went Republican this time hoping for a better outcome with their job situation. Also how do you think Trump won Florida? Latinos turned out for him. More Latinos voted for him than they voted for Romney back in 2012

I call BS. The overwhelmingly latino sections of Florida voted Clinton. Trump won Florida because of the older Wonder Bread White retirees living out in all of the boondock counties.

Florida Election Results 2016: President Live Map by County, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO

Right that was indeed total BS and not how he won Florida

Also people in the rust belt were in a **** spot when Obama ran too

They have been for a long time and they are pretty fickle with their voting

A whopping 2% more, that's basically within the margin of error

The story wasn't Latinos turned out for Trump (he still got obliterated in the Latino vote everywhere) it was that they didn't like Hillary as much as Obama, she didn't inspire in the same way

Which is true across the board Hillary was a bad candidate for the base while Obama was one of the best ever

DJ: Kinda a far cry from "Trump won Florida because of Latinos". Florida's demographics show only about a 20% hispanic population and the vast majority of them are living in the metropolitan areas, not rural - which is what won Trump the electoral votes.

Interesting to note that Trump only beat Clinton by 100K votes. Gary Johnson got 200K votes.

:laughing:

What are we? Three weeks in? Good lord. There wasn't this much **** tossed at the wall in Obama's first term for Christ sakes. These are just today's headlines.

US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com

Trump to Dems: 'Pocahontas is now the face of your party' - CNNPolitics.com

Trump says he's unaware of reports Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

Spicer Tries for Better Insult Than 'Fake News,' Fails

Bipartisan calls for Conway investigation after Ivanka Trump plug - CNNPolitics.com

Anger erupts at Republican town halls - CNNPolitics.com


Boo Yah!

http://img.youtube.com/vi/Vqhw8kxVd2o/hqdefault.jpg

I'm still amazed 4chan managed to troll Rick Wilson, John McCain and even the CIA with that dossier. But we also live in a world where some of the top guys in the Democratic Party don't know how phishing emails work, so maybe the world really is that stupid. Unprecedented!

I mean, Trump was elected, there is no questioning IF our country is stupid, it's how to fix our stupid country.

Maybe Edward Snowden can show us the way! :D

Russia Reportedly Considering to "Gift" Snowden to President Trump

Does anybody really think Trump is responsible enough to own a Snowden? He'll forget to feed it and Mike Pense will have to keep doing it so he doesn't starve. And lets not forget the poops he'll leave in the white house when Trump is too lazy to take him for a walk.

Exactly what is your deal? Denial?

That dossier is coming from the top levels of international intelligence from many countries.

Why do you keep denying truth? Are you, ahem...., alternative?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C386F3gVUAMDsDb.jpg

Denial? I should be asking you the same question. You really take everything at face value don't you? The fact that the top intelligence agencies on the planet can't corroborate ANY of the actual events or content of the dossier should be a red flag to anyone with a lick of common sense that it is completely fabricated. Otherwise Hillary Clinton's campaign would have made use of it months ago....after all, they DID pay good money toward it.

See, the ex M16 guy who supposedly put the dossier together is someone nobody can verify actually did any work and is currently "in hiding". Yet people have come out from 4chan over the last two months pointing out events and descriptions in the dossier they wrote all the way back in October. So either the dossier has been compiled from multiple sources (including 4chan) or the intelligence agencies were completely trolled and are trying to save face by saying James Bond is their primary source. :D

And even if 4chan was not involved at all in this (which is unlikely given the formatting and matching details between some of the posts and the dossier in question), you should ask yourself the following question: If Donald Trump's team had spent money to hire some 3rd party to go to Haiti to dig up "dirt" on the Clintons but were unable to corroborate anything they found, would you believe any dossier they compiled? If your answer is no, then you should be applying that same level of critical thought to Trump's dossier as well.

Minorities did vote for Trump more than they did for Romney. Also, people that voted for Obama in 2012 voted for Trump. So obviously only racist white people voted for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.92f25b673c16

Denial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...Russia_dossier

DJ: You said "Trump won Florida because of latinos." I still say BS.

Benghaaaaaaaaaazi

Watching news clips of the various town halls being held around the country and it's so bizarre. Complete 180 degree flip from 8 years ago when people were vehemently against the ACA. Now the vast majority are against Trump tearing it down.

Just watched an older dude talking about his long time wife who died because she had a pre-condition and couldn't get insurance. He ended with "I'm a die hard Republican and a lifelong conservative. But that doesn't mean I don't have a heart." Huge applause.

Another guy gets up and says "Rip Obamacare to shreds." He gets booed off the stage.

Bizarre.

Remember "death panels"

threatening the ACA is the actual death panel people 100% will die as a result it's just a question of how many based on the changes

If you can't answer "no" to my question in the last post then you are going to have to do better than that. :laughing:

Here's a little more to chew on.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...g-541626?rx=us