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Trollheart 02-08-2017 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1803644)
There's a D & R revolution.

Better than a D&D one!
That is scary! It really does look like him! If it's real of course... :laughing:

Anteater 02-08-2017 12:46 PM

Some interesting observations on the political polarization that culminated in Trump's election.


DwnWthVwls 02-08-2017 01:12 PM

Great find.

Chula Vista 02-08-2017 04:34 PM

Word is Spicer is on the way out. Trump doesn't think he's defending his alternative facts well enough in front of the press.

And in other news, more stoking of fear.....

Trump Repeats Huge Lie About The U.S. Murder Rate | The Huffington Post

DwnWthVwls 02-08-2017 05:21 PM

This just in.. white collar crimes and political corruption the highest it's been in 47 years.

Trollheart 02-08-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1803928)
This just in.. white collar crimes and political corruption the highest it's been in 47 years.

Those are alternative facts. You're unpatriotic.

DwnWthVwls 02-08-2017 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1803942)
You're unpatriotic.

Thanks.. not even kidding. America sucks.

Chula Vista 02-08-2017 07:18 PM

So huge department store chain Nordstroms decides to drop Ivanka Trump's brands from all stores citing declining sales.

Trump tweets: My daughter Ivanka has been treated so unfairly by @Nordstrom. She is a great person -- always pushing me to do the right thing! Terrible!

Sean Spicer during today's press briefing says: "I think this is less about his family's business and an attack on his daughter," Spicer said. "He ran for president. He won. He's leading this country. I think for people to take out their concern about his actions or his executive orders on members of his family, he has every right to stand up for his family and applaud their business activities, their success."

A lot of Trump's supporters are pushing for boycotts of Nordstrom.

Questions:

1. Both Trump and his daughter were suppose to divest their interests in their personal businesses. So why is Trump so upset?

2. Should the President of the US use his position of power to try and influence the success or failure of a publically traded company based on purely personal reasons and out of spite?

3. Whatever happened to make America great again. Nordstrom employs 72,500 people here in the US. What if the boycott takes hold and some of those people end up losing their jobs.

Oh, and T.J Maxx, Marshalls, and Neiman Marcus are starting to follow suit with Ivanka's brands. Get ready to fire up your Twitter Donald.

DwnWthVwls 02-08-2017 07:33 PM

Better question: Why is this even getting publicity? There are so many more important things to worry about, but once again bullshit petty problems will make the headlines and detract from actual issues.

It's brilliant.

Frownland 02-08-2017 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1803989)
Better question: Why is this even getting publicity? There are so many more important things to worry about, but once again bullshit petty problems will make the headlines and detract from actual issues.

It's brilliant.

Right? I think Trump is half unstable, half attempting to drive media focus in directions he can handle (for lack of a better word).

Chula Vista 02-08-2017 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1803989)
Better question: Why is this even getting publicity? There are so many more important things to worry about, but once again bullshit petty problems will make the headlines and detract from actual issues.

It's brilliant.

This has the potential to be a big problem if it becomes a habit with any US business who dares blink the wrong way at Trump. Once again "unprecedented.

Lucem Ferre 02-08-2017 10:38 PM

So what did Trump do to piss China off? I remember reading about how they said something along the lines of "War with the US is becoming more of a reality" or something.

Chula Vista 02-08-2017 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1804023)
So what did Trump do to piss China off? I remember reading about how they said something along the lines of "War with the US is becoming more of a reality" or something.

China tells Donald Trump, USA to lift its game

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The Global Times, a provocative but state-sanctioned Chinese newspaper, countered that “unless Washington plans to wage a large-scale war in the South China Sea, any other approaches to prevent Chinese access to the islands will be foolish”.

“Tillerson had better bone up on nuclear power strategies if he wants to force a big nuclear power to withdraw from its own territories,” the unbylined opinion piece suggested.

“If Trump’s diplomatic team shapes future Sino-US ties as it is doing now, the two sides had better prepare for a military clash.”

Lucem Ferre 02-08-2017 11:04 PM

China says they don't want to either because we all have a lot to lose from it. I hope Trump doesn't see how far he can push them.

Stephen 02-09-2017 05:09 AM

Thing that worries me about Trump is if his narcissism clouds his judgement and he decides he's so brilliant he couldn't possibly lose a war things could get real ugly.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 05:21 PM

What did Trump do now? Trump got.....

DENIED

Unanimous decision by the 3 judges. I skimmed over the decision and they make some rock solid arguments, citing points over and over again where the Constitution supercedes a President's power to basically do whatever he wants.

And they list dozens of case law and precedent - which will be difficult for Trump's lawyers since what Trump's trying to do is...... wait for it......

Unprecedented.

Frownland 02-09-2017 05:23 PM

Got a good source for the decision/arguments? I started reading something on NPR last night and didn't end up finishing it for whatever reason and I'm still pretty unsure of how his order was unconstitutional (even though I vehemently disagree with it).

Anteater 02-09-2017 05:27 PM

I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804108)
Got a good source for the decision/arguments? I started reading something on NPR last night and didn't end up finishing it for whatever reason and I'm still pretty unsure of how his order was unconstitutional (even though I vehemently disagree with it).

Rather long but the conclusions toward the end are really strong.

Full text: 9th Circuit rules against reinstating travel ban - CNNPolitics.com

Frownland 02-09-2017 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1804110)
I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

1: That wasn't a travel ban
2: There was an actual event that inspired that inspired the crackdown. Trump's is essentially giving him (or Bannon) 90 days to craft policy that he should have had planned months ago.
3: Two wrongs don't make a right

PS for Chula: the 9th circuit court has more overruled verdicts than any of the other circuits, I wouldn't rejoice yet.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1804110)
I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

Because it wasn't a ban. Stop listening listening to those trying to defend Trump's ban by citing Obama.

Big differences between Trump's immigration ban, Obama's 2011 policy - Business Insider

If anything what Trump's trying to do is unnecessary based on the work Obama did in 2011 to strengthen the policies for screening and immigration. Name a single terrorist act that took place here in the US from any of the seven countries that Trumps trying to ban. He needs to start focusing on domestic terrorism.

Frownland 02-09-2017 05:37 PM

I love how so many people just despise every word that comes out of Obama's mouth...unless it has any kind of parallels to things Trump has said because dumb liberals!

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804112)

PS for Chula: the 9th circuit court has more overruled verdicts than any of the other circuits, I wouldn't rejoice yet.

Someone made a case that the Supreme Court will also deny his appeal because his tone so far towards the courts and judges - and how they need to assert their control now before he runs amuck.

Frownland 02-09-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1804117)
Someone made a case that the Supreme Court will also deny his appeal because his tone so far towards the courts and judges - and how they need to assert their control now before he runs amuck.

If that informs their reasoning I hope that all members of the SCOTUS are stripped of their titles. I heard a great quote from Gorsuch on the subject: "A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge." Their decisions should be made based on law, not the fact that Trump was a little mean to them. I'd be totally ****ed if being a meanie was unconstitutional.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804120)
If that informs their reasoning I hope that all members of the SCOTUS are stripped of their titles. I heard a great quote from Gorsuch on the subject: "A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge." Their decisions should be made based on law, not the fact that Trump was a little mean to them.

I didn't word it very well. A lawyer on TV just made the point much more clearer. What they might do is read the decision and agree with the areas that basically say that Trump is trying usurp the court's opinions based on The Constitution as well as already being do disrespectful to the US judicial system.

What was Trump implying when he referred to the Washington justice as a "so called judge"? Saying something like that so publically can have the same affect on his base like constantly saying "fake news" does.

A president is not suppose to seed doubt in the American people about the soundness of our judicial process just because he's throwing another hissy fit.

Frownland 02-09-2017 06:25 PM

It's not ideal that he does that, correct. But it is legal and therefore should not have a bearing in their decision.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804127)
But it is legal and therefore should not have a bearing in their decision.

How many times over the course of something this complex will a Justice come to a fork in the road where he/she really could go either way and stay within the confines of the law? I've seen it a number of times the last 2 years where our lawyers were absolutely convinced we were gonna win a point only to see the judge go the other way. And visa versa.

So a Justice needs to make a decision and either way would be acceptable to a final decision. Under the current circumstances it might help them decide.

If you ask a judge why he ruled a certain way the answer will always be "because I did - read the ruling".

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 07:43 PM

Website dedicated to spelling out all of the reasons why Donald Trump is the most fit president ever.

https://whytrumpisgreat.com/

:laughing:

Frownland 02-09-2017 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1804132)
How many times over the course of something this complex will a Justice come to a fork in the road where he/she really could go either way and stay within the confines of the law?

"Going either way" literally breaks the confines of the law if a grudge or lack thereof determines the outcome of a case..

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So a Justice needs to make a decision and either way would be acceptable to a final decision. Under the current circumstances it might help them decide.
If the judge needs "help" in the form of a personal grudge to come to a conclusion, then I believe that they are not fit to be a judge.

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If you ask a judge why he ruled a certain way the answer will always be "because I did - read the ruling".
Ya know, I really doubt that you tested this idea out.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804138)
Ya know, I really doubt that you tested this idea out.

I've not only heard it from a number of political analysts but our two lawyers confirmed it.They never want to verbalize a decision outside of a court of law. They can actually get in trouble for doing so unless they no longer have a license to practice.

Frownland 02-09-2017 08:50 PM

You're doing cocaine with the wrong kinda lawyers man.

The Batlord 02-09-2017 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1804142)
I've not only heard it from a number of political analysts but our two lawyers confirmed it.They never want to verbalize a decision outside of a court of law. They can actually get in trouble for doing so unless they no longer have a license to practice.

Stop watching political analysts.

Lucem Ferre 02-10-2017 12:14 AM

If I ever became president I'd come to this forum and have you guys vote on what I do and who I appoint.

The Batlord 02-10-2017 12:17 AM

If I am elected President my first act shall be to sign an executive order turning the forum into a gay porn site.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 02-10-2017 03:47 AM

if i ever become president i wouldn't be able to because i'm canadian

Mindfulness 02-10-2017 06:03 AM


Chula Vista 02-10-2017 11:48 AM

First Melissa McCarthey as Spicer and now Rosie O'Donnel as Bannon? Oooooh, this should be good.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4RNjG6VYAEkPtW.jpg

Key 02-10-2017 11:49 AM

If there is anybody at this point defending Trump's presidency after everything he's done, perhaps along with Trump you need to get your head checked. He's literally not done a single thing worth praising, and what's funny is that even his supporters are cutting ties with him. Just know that if you still support him, you're in the minority. The very very very small minority.

Frownland 02-10-2017 11:50 AM

*vomits*

Please, let's not give that woman more publicity. It's morally reprehensible.

Next we'll be seeing Paulie Shore do some salty anti-Trump bit and become a heralded icon for the bitter folks on the left.

Frownland 02-10-2017 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1804264)
The time to say this was actually last year right after the "and some, I assume, are good people" comment

He's been an obvious racist piece of **** since he launched his first campaign on birtherism

But he owns their team now and you gotta stick with your team and the other team is EVIL.


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