How do you know? Did you fill out a internet survey?

The sad part is, I actually side more with Elphenor on the issue, I'm just sick of arrogant little pricks talking out of their ass and screaming "racist! racist!" instead of starting an actual intelligent discussion. Then blaming Trump for the split.

Prove it.

Enterpeneurs aren't skilled businessmen and have no job skills. #elphenorlogic

Start a twitter bro. You'd be internet meme famous.

So you got a map. But you don't have any idea how much border control Canada has, or how many people illegally immigrate there, or how many people get deported.

Which issue?

Immigration. I honestly could give two ****s about the issue, but lean more towards his view.

Prove it.

Edit: Also consider how many more illegal immigrants are thought to be in the US compared to Canada.

Why would you think it's harder to illegally cross the border in one direction than the other Lucem? That makes no sense.

http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/f...ions022515.jpg

So Canada estimates about 120,000 illegals in their country at most and deports about 35 a day.

The US is estimated to have 12 million illegals in their country and deports about 1,200 a day.

Who is deporting a larger fraction?

it needs to. i dont have the stats on hand but canadian families arent producing enough children to keep our population consistent. but yeah idk there's definitely a movement within the conservative party to halt immigration, clearly they didnt get the memo or something.

One could have stricter and more efficient border control. Also, from what I understand, a lot of illegals run in to suburbs in Canada.

And the facts show it's harder to get into Canada than the US.

The border is a line. If you can cross one spot easy from one side, it's the exact same coming from the other direction. It's not like there's a wall then a couple miles and then another wall and each country is responsible for protecting their own wall.

Or are you considering which country it is easier to go unnoticed as an illegal immigrant?

Next time you're in the produce ailse and notice that the prices of fruits and vegatables are reasonable thank your lucky stars for Mexicans.


Trump today at the major press conference when asked about whether a one state or two state solution is best for the middle east:

"I like the pastrami, I like the brisket. Either one works for me. Whatever they decide is fine. I'll have what they're having".

PM Netanyahu could be heard laughing in the background at the absurdidy of Trump's answer. Leader of the free world? No.

That.

I work produce, and we don't have much shit from Mexico. What does that have to do with anything? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

You obviously haven't tried to do it in a car. I can drive into Mexico without blinking. I can take a nap while waiting in line trying to get back into the US.

https://www.reference.com/government...7f166da99ce7e4

They don't really know. Neither does America. That's why it's an estimation.

The majority of produce that comes out of California is grown and harvested by illegal Mexicans.

Okay, and? That justifies them not paying taxes or contributing to society?

Edit: Let me rephrase. Their work is obviously a contribution to society, but beyond that they are exempt from the same things that all legal citizens are not, which is not a good thing.

Now that it's established that according to all the available information we have it's harder to get into Canada than the United States can we start taking the discussion more seriously rather than screaming racist, white or nationalist like you have the most liberal case of tourette syndrome known to man?

At this point it is what it is though. They do the work that most Americans couldn't be bothered with. And you and I benefit from it. Want to "fix it? Our economy will suffer, prices will sore, some companies might go out of business, healthcare costs will go up even more, etc.

A lot of needlessly scared Americans will sleep better at night but will also bitch like crazy when their tomato prices go up 150% as a result.

No, but he does tell you right where he gets his information when saying "The Toronto Sun reports..."

That's bull****. They don't do the work most Americans couldn't be bothered with. There are tons of Americans looking for jobs that would love to take ANYTHING they could.

Yeah, pay attention, get on my level.

Okay and that's fine. I'm not blind to reality, but don't you think we should be working towards practical ways of not relying on them while simultaneously tackling the problem of illegal immigration?

"It's dysfunctional, but it works, so let's just leave it be". We should always be seeking to improve out situation.

Sure, but "THE WALL" is not a practical start. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

If you bothered reading any of the previous discussion, I said on more than one occasion I thought the wall was a stupid idea. My only argument was to stop giving Anteater ****, because the wall itself is not racist. Also, as I said to Trollheart, I'm not gonna repeat my entire argument, but if you'd like to dig through and bring up something that I possibly over looked or you feel I didn't make a good enough case for then feel free.

But the concept of the wall, as used by Trump on the campaign trail, is completely racist and xenophobic.

We can agree to disagree on that but I'm surprised you don't comprehend this.

And I've read the entire discussion. Don't condescend.

That is 100% True. I'm sure not all the wall supporters are racist. Some of them are just stupid.

So it's racist when Donald Trump does it, but not when Obama signed a bill that spent $600 million to reinforce the border?

My argument was addressing the question: is the policy racist? Not, is Donald Trump racist?

Link? Cause if it's anything like that 97% scientist consensus on global warming it's bull****. Because they have NEVER officially polled scientists. I mean, yeah, you'll have a hard time finding a climate scientist or meteorologist that doesn't believe that climate change is a man made threat, but that consensus number is bull****.

It's not that he wanted to do it that makes him racist. It's the context he gave that made him racist. The idea is not racist, but the motives for the idea were.

Most definitely. I've noted this before, I have a 30 year old nephew back east who told me he'd pay for two walls just to keep his family safe. I asked him why he was so afraid living 3,000 miles from Mexico when I've spent the last 20 years living less than 3 miles from Mexico and have not once been scared. He has yet to reply.

I really think you're missing the forest for the trees on this one. Trump didn't campaign on reinforcing borders. He campaigned on THE WALL.

You remember the rallies, right?

Trump: What are we going to do?
Crowd: BUILD A WALL!!!!!
Trump: And who's going to pay for it?
Crowd: MEXICO!!!!!!

Cause they don't have massive amounts of illegal immigrants. Estimated. In 2003 I guess. It's such not a problem that they don't even keep track. Probably because it's harder to do it there.

It'd be much less expensive to, I don't know, prevent them from coming in. Right?

Just because racists support the policy doesn't mean the policy is racist.

You know how many jobs it could create to strengthen border control? Not necessarily a stupid wall, but just stronger border control?