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Frownland 02-09-2017 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1804110)
I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

1: That wasn't a travel ban
2: There was an actual event that inspired that inspired the crackdown. Trump's is essentially giving him (or Bannon) 90 days to craft policy that he should have had planned months ago.
3: Two wrongs don't make a right

PS for Chula: the 9th circuit court has more overruled verdicts than any of the other circuits, I wouldn't rejoice yet.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1804110)
I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

Because it wasn't a ban. Stop listening listening to those trying to defend Trump's ban by citing Obama.

Big differences between Trump's immigration ban, Obama's 2011 policy - Business Insider

If anything what Trump's trying to do is unnecessary based on the work Obama did in 2011 to strengthen the policies for screening and immigration. Name a single terrorist act that took place here in the US from any of the seven countries that Trumps trying to ban. He needs to start focusing on domestic terrorism.

Frownland 02-09-2017 06:37 PM

I love how so many people just despise every word that comes out of Obama's mouth...unless it has any kind of parallels to things Trump has said because dumb liberals!

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804112)

PS for Chula: the 9th circuit court has more overruled verdicts than any of the other circuits, I wouldn't rejoice yet.

Someone made a case that the Supreme Court will also deny his appeal because his tone so far towards the courts and judges - and how they need to assert their control now before he runs amuck.

Frownland 02-09-2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1804117)
Someone made a case that the Supreme Court will also deny his appeal because his tone so far towards the courts and judges - and how they need to assert their control now before he runs amuck.

If that informs their reasoning I hope that all members of the SCOTUS are stripped of their titles. I heard a great quote from Gorsuch on the subject: "A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge." Their decisions should be made based on law, not the fact that Trump was a little mean to them. I'd be totally ****ed if being a meanie was unconstitutional.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804120)
If that informs their reasoning I hope that all members of the SCOTUS are stripped of their titles. I heard a great quote from Gorsuch on the subject: "A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge." Their decisions should be made based on law, not the fact that Trump was a little mean to them.

I didn't word it very well. A lawyer on TV just made the point much more clearer. What they might do is read the decision and agree with the areas that basically say that Trump is trying usurp the court's opinions based on The Constitution as well as already being do disrespectful to the US judicial system.

What was Trump implying when he referred to the Washington justice as a "so called judge"? Saying something like that so publically can have the same affect on his base like constantly saying "fake news" does.

A president is not suppose to seed doubt in the American people about the soundness of our judicial process just because he's throwing another hissy fit.

Frownland 02-09-2017 07:25 PM

It's not ideal that he does that, correct. But it is legal and therefore should not have a bearing in their decision.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804127)
But it is legal and therefore should not have a bearing in their decision.

How many times over the course of something this complex will a Justice come to a fork in the road where he/she really could go either way and stay within the confines of the law? I've seen it a number of times the last 2 years where our lawyers were absolutely convinced we were gonna win a point only to see the judge go the other way. And visa versa.

So a Justice needs to make a decision and either way would be acceptable to a final decision. Under the current circumstances it might help them decide.

If you ask a judge why he ruled a certain way the answer will always be "because I did - read the ruling".

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 08:43 PM

Website dedicated to spelling out all of the reasons why Donald Trump is the most fit president ever.

https://whytrumpisgreat.com/

:laughing:

Frownland 02-09-2017 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1804132)
How many times over the course of something this complex will a Justice come to a fork in the road where he/she really could go either way and stay within the confines of the law?

"Going either way" literally breaks the confines of the law if a grudge or lack thereof determines the outcome of a case..

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So a Justice needs to make a decision and either way would be acceptable to a final decision. Under the current circumstances it might help them decide.
If the judge needs "help" in the form of a personal grudge to come to a conclusion, then I believe that they are not fit to be a judge.

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If you ask a judge why he ruled a certain way the answer will always be "because I did - read the ruling".
Ya know, I really doubt that you tested this idea out.

Chula Vista 02-09-2017 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804138)
Ya know, I really doubt that you tested this idea out.

I've not only heard it from a number of political analysts but our two lawyers confirmed it.They never want to verbalize a decision outside of a court of law. They can actually get in trouble for doing so unless they no longer have a license to practice.

Frownland 02-09-2017 09:50 PM

You're doing cocaine with the wrong kinda lawyers man.

elphenor 02-09-2017 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804138)
then I believe that they are not fit to be a judge.

the days of appointing judges based on their merit as judges is long gone

The Batlord 02-10-2017 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1804142)
I've not only heard it from a number of political analysts but our two lawyers confirmed it.They never want to verbalize a decision outside of a court of law. They can actually get in trouble for doing so unless they no longer have a license to practice.

Stop watching political analysts.

Lucem Ferre 02-10-2017 01:14 AM

If I ever became president I'd come to this forum and have you guys vote on what I do and who I appoint.

The Batlord 02-10-2017 01:17 AM

If I am elected President my first act shall be to sign an executive order turning the forum into a gay porn site.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 02-10-2017 04:47 AM

if i ever become president i wouldn't be able to because i'm canadian

Mindfulness 02-10-2017 07:03 AM


Chula Vista 02-10-2017 12:48 PM

First Melissa McCarthey as Spicer and now Rosie O'Donnel as Bannon? Oooooh, this should be good.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4RNjG6VYAEkPtW.jpg

Key 02-10-2017 12:49 PM

If there is anybody at this point defending Trump's presidency after everything he's done, perhaps along with Trump you need to get your head checked. He's literally not done a single thing worth praising, and what's funny is that even his supporters are cutting ties with him. Just know that if you still support him, you're in the minority. The very very very small minority.

Frownland 02-10-2017 12:50 PM

*vomits*

Please, let's not give that woman more publicity. It's morally reprehensible.

Next we'll be seeing Paulie Shore do some salty anti-Trump bit and become a heralded icon for the bitter folks on the left.

elphenor 02-10-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1804262)
If there is anybody at this point defending Trump's presidency after everything he's done, perhaps along with Trump you need to get your head checked. He's literally not done a single thing worth praising, and what's funny is that even his supporters are cutting ties with him. Just know that if you still support him, you're in the minority. The very very very small minority.

The time to say this was actually last year right after the "and some, I assume, are good people" comment

He's been an obvious racist piece of **** since he launched his first campaign on birtherism

duga 02-10-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804263)
*vomits*

Please, let's not give that woman more publicity. It's morally reprehensible.

Next we'll be seeing Paulie Shore do some salty anti-Trump bit and become a heralded icon for the bitter folks on the left.

Another harsh EO from the Trumperinoooo

Frownland 02-10-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1804264)
The time to say this was actually last year right after the "and some, I assume, are good people" comment

He's been an obvious racist piece of **** since he launched his first campaign on birtherism

But he owns their team now and you gotta stick with your team and the other team is EVIL.

Key 02-10-2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1804264)
The time to say this was actually last year right after the "and some, I assume, are good people" comment

He's been an obvious racist piece of **** since he launched his first campaign on birtherism

That's sort of my point. If people are still defending him even after his blatant racism and push for a Fascist nazi germany-esque America, then they themselves are clearly not of the opinion that racism or anything is a problem.

elphenor 02-10-2017 01:01 PM

Yeah I'm pretty disgusted with white people going "whatever who cares jobs jobs" in the face of obvious bigotry
Being a racist matters just look at his first actions as president


We

Elected

The Birther

Candidate

elphenor 02-10-2017 01:03 PM

Luckily white people make up less of this country every year

Can't wait until Mexicans are 75% of Texas anyway

It's already well on its way to being a blue state

Trollheart 02-10-2017 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1804262)
If there is anybody at this point defending Trump's presidency after everything he's done, perhaps along with Trump you need to get your head checked. He's literally not done a single thing worth praising, and what's funny is that even his supporters are cutting ties with him. Just know that if you still support him, you're in the minority. The very very very small minority.

You're talking about Anteater, aren't you?
:shycouch:
and Goofle.

Key 02-10-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1804274)
You're talking about Anteater, aren't you?
:shycouch:
and Goofle.

Yes

Chula Vista 02-10-2017 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804263)
*vomits*

Please, let's not give that woman more publicity. It's morally reprehensible.

No, this is perfect. Trump hates Rosie. Trump hates women making him or his staff look bad. Trump flipped after the Spicer SNL bit. He'll flat out pop a roid if this comes to fruition.

duga 02-10-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1804281)
No, this is perfect. Trump hates Rosie. Trump hates women making him or his staff look bad. Trump flipped after the Spicer SNL bit. He'll flat out pop a roid if this comes to fruition.

Can roids pop? If so, this makes me much more wary of them.

But yes...I agree. I hate Rosie, so if I hate Rosie Trump must REALLY hate Rosie. I'm not sure I want to see her in action, but I'll savor the reaction to it.

Frownland 02-10-2017 01:13 PM

The enemy of my enemy can still potentially be my enemy if they're ridiculously ****ing awful and an embarrassment for my country.

Chula Vista 02-10-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1804285)
The enemy of my enemy can still potentially be my enemy if they're ridiculously ****ing awful and an embarrassment for my country.

Go easy on the Donald.

Psy-Fi 02-10-2017 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1804262)
If there is anybody at this point defending Trump's presidency after everything he's done, perhaps along with Trump you need to get your head checked. He's literally not done a single thing worth praising, and what's funny is that even his supporters are cutting ties with him. Just know that if you still support him, you're in the minority. The very very very small minority.

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...sb6x0pswt.jpeg

elphenor 02-10-2017 01:21 PM

Putin be like that's right call me daddy

The Batlord 02-10-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1804273)
Luckily white people make up less of this country every year

Can't wait until Mexicans are 75% of Texas anyway

It's already well on its way to being a blue state

Oh good. Catholics.

elphenor 02-10-2017 01:26 PM

Hey man whatever as long as they down for socialism

You realize how awesome it's going to be when we yank TX right out from under the confederate flag twirlers

They see the writing on the wall too that's what the Voter ID laws are about

Anteater 02-10-2017 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1804273)
Luckily white people make up less of this country every year

Can't wait until Mexicans are 75% of Texas anyway

It's already well on its way to being a blue state

Good luck with that. :laughing:

The Batlord 02-10-2017 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1804295)
Hey man whatever as long as they down for socialism

You realize how awesome it's going to be when we yank TX right out from under the confederate flag twirlers

They see the writing on the wall too that's what the Voter ID laws are about

From what I gather they're down for social conservatism. I have no major problem with immigration, but know what you're buying. Prop 22 didn't pass in California because of college liberals in Berkeley, California. So yeah, you're not replacing *******s with non-*******s. Just more *******s.

elphenor 02-10-2017 01:34 PM

They overwhelming vote Democrat at the end of the day you realize that's my point right


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