What Did President Trump Do Now?

**Frownland** · 01-20-2017, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Also the most of the people critical of protesting would never get off of their ass for any cause so I don't even know why they bother commenting on it.

That's a neat way to write off opposing opinions. Kudos.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

It's almost as if they're trying to front an "above it all" cynicism so as to excuse themselves from having to participate intellectually or otherwise

Or maybe they genuinely feel that way.

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I'm totally fine with "tea party of the left" btw I never looked down on the Tea Party I am impressed by it

Adults acting like children didn't do it for me in any Adam Sandler movies, it's not gonna work for me in politics either.

grindy · 01-20-2017, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That's a nice way to write off opposing opinions. Kudos.

He is kinda right though. I know I wouldn't.
Although I did participate in a few anti-nazi protests in my leftist teenage years and it was pretty fun.

The Batlord · 01-20-2017, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

This comes later on in the process. Strategizing and coming up with a specific campaign around an issue. Base building then leading up to another action.

Yes this is kind of pointless but it's more about being symbolic and using the energy wrapped around people's fears to stand up and show power in numbers. The protests that are going on today and tomorrow. Also of course there are anarchists that just want to run around and break **** but there are other protesters out there as well.

Are you saying it's to build a movement for the future even though the current action has no immediate point? I'm not mocking that, as if it works, it works, and making sense every second of every day is not necessary if your tactics are effective in the long term.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Also the most of the people critical of protesting would never get off of their ass for any cause so I don't even know why they bother commenting on it.

And the people who engage in protests are probably those more likely to be disenfranchised in general, even if they didn't have a reason to be disenfranchised. Those people are more likely to affect change than I am, but that doesn't mean they are more logical than I am.

djchameleon · 01-20-2017, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Are you saying it's to build a movement for the future even though the current action has no immediate point? I'm not mocking that, as if it works, it works, and making sense every second of every day is not necessary if your tactics are effective in the long term.

Essentially yes, the current action kind of jumps the bullet and puts the horse in front of the cart. Actions are usually like the third step in the process when you have actual demands and things that you want to accomplish that came from months of planning.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And the people who engage in protests are probably those more likely to be disenfranchised in general, even if they didn't have a reason to be disenfranchised. Those people are more likely to affect change than I am, but that doesn't mean they are more logical than I am.

I have mixed feelings about it to be honest. The people that engage in certain protests will be riled up and angry in the moment but over the next few days. They will just go back to their day to day lives and not move on with that energy to work towards solutions and that pisses me off so much. I can't work with those type of people. If you are going to be passionate and angry enough to protest and march. Follow it up and work with different groups to actually accomplish something concrete. It ends up just being an empty gesture at the end of the day.

The Batlord · 01-20-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I have mixed feelings about it to be honest. The people that engage in certain protests will be riled up and angry in the moment but over the next few days. They will just go back to their day to day lives and not move on with that energy to work towards solutions and that pisses me off so much. I can't work with those type of people. If you are going to be passionate and angry enough to protest and march. Follow it up and work with different groups to actually accomplish something concrete. It ends up just being an empty gesture at the end of the day.

I feel you, but I'm not even talking about that. Think about political, violent revolutionaries like Mao's army in China during the war with Chiang Kai Shek, or any number of grassroots paramilitary revolutions throughout history. I'm sure there were plenty of poor farmers who were hungry and angry who joined those armies, but I imagine the very first people to decide they wanted to enact violent change were probably people who would have been likely to want to rail against any establishment of any kind that was in power, simply because that was the psychology of those revolutionaries.

To bring that back to your thing, the people who started whatever it is you're doing might be right, but would they have been content to just sit around and be regular members of society if what they're now protesting against wasn't there? Or would they have found some other reason to be angry? Those kinds of people are the most likely to enact change, partly because they might have a point, but also because those people are simply looking for a fight of any sort.

djchameleon · 01-20-2017, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

To bring that back to your thing, the people who started whatever it is you're doing might be right, but would they have been content to just sit around and be regular members of society if what they're now protesting against wasn't there? Or would they have found some other reason to be angry? Those kinds of people are the most likely to enact change, partly because they might have a point, but also because those people are simply looking for a fight of any sort.

You pretty much answered some of your questions in your first paragraph.
When people feel they are pushed against the wall whether it be something tangible or their values. They are moved to act out in someway. It isn't always the most constructive way but they feel like their backs are against they wall and they will be angry enough to move to act out.

It usually falls back to their own personal self interest. If something is affecting the way that they conduct their daily life or they have some connection to it by how they were mistreated in the past then they will definitely move to action.

OccultHawk · 01-20-2017, 07:30 PM

Terrible day for America

Trollheart · 01-20-2017, 07:38 PM

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It just occurred to me that if he runs for re-election and loses, the "You're fired!" memes are going to be epic.

Surely they've used "You're hired"?

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

it happened lol

fortunately all you could see of me was my arm, so people won't think i'm a trump humper or anything.

Yeah but isn't it in the Constitution that you have the right to bare arms?

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You're missing the point. 100% There's more than half of the country that are outraged that this clown is now president. He ran completely on bigotry, lies, misinformation, hate, and over the top hyperbole.

He's done nothing since the election to change my opinion of him. If anything it's become worse. He's a man child who now holds the most powerful seat in the world.

I'm seriously afraid of what might happen in the next 4 years. I'm 56 years old and have been paying into SS for 40 years and both me and Linda are completely depending on it for our retirement. Overturning Roe v Wade is a reality which all of the bible thumpers are frothing at the mouth over right now. Gay rights? Same thing.

We're wading into ridiculously scary waters. It's no wonder LOTS of people are voicing their 1st amendment rights. Don't dismiss them so cavalierly.

You're a secret Nazi?

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Any form of protest is good Trump is thin skinned as all hell put the heat on him let him know what's up with the majority of Americans then when that bill to cut social security hits his desk he's gonna flinch

Remember there is precedence for a presidency being so unpopular that the guy resigned

Who?

The Batlord · 01-20-2017, 07:45 PM

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Surely they've used "You're hired"?

Yeah but isn't it in the Constitution that you have the right to bare arms?

You're a secret Nazi?

Who?

And I'm assuming alphenor is talking about Richard Nixon.

**Frownland** · 01-20-2017, 07:46 PM

Andrew Johnson got impeached due to his overwhelming popularity.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Terrible day for America