Islam in Europe

~~Cuthbert~~ · 06-04-2017, 02:10 PM

Weapons is a terrible idea. Guys have to use cars and knives because it's very difficult to get firearms, if it were easy to get them a lot more than 7 people would have been killed last night. You're assuming people will have the bottle to shoot at someone as well, I doubt I could. I'd be off. Most people would I think.

Has the mosque where the MEN bomber 'worshipped' been shut down yet?

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if someone perpetrates something of this nature, or is caught planning it, should their family, associates, friends - anyone who might have had some knowledge of the incident or been able to stop it, or worse, have aided in it - be arrested, or at least have their citizenship revoked and be deported?

This isn't a bad idea imo.

riseagainstrocks · 06-04-2017, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Jamal hasn't been home much, seeing those odd people, doesn't have a girlfriend, is moody and talking some pretty strong rhetoric, visiting the mosque when he used not to bother? Check his internet browser history?

New friends/job keeps him out; how do you define "odd"; could be gay, could be asexual, could be he's not in the right headspace, could be he just got out of something; yes, I agree if you talk about blowing yourself up it's a red flag; religiosity comes in goes in most people; I read about salafism pretty often - does this mean I'm at risk?

I don't mean to shoot down your suggestions. They come from a good place. But lone-wolf, or two, three man teams of radicals leave next to no footprint. You'll also get all sorts of false-positives using the heuristics you've sketched (and others have built on).

I'm not sure how to course correct for those already inculcated into the fringe death cults that plague Islam, but I do know that we can make the problem worse by banning/condemning/scapegoating Islam. It's so strange that the leaders of these radical groups are begging the West to make Islam the enemy, to ban Muslims from parts of civic life, etc. and we're, if not actually doing it, certainly discussing it like a viable solution to the problem. We are literally recruiting for them.

OccultHawk · 06-04-2017, 02:19 PM

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I wonder, if someone perpetrates something of this nature, or is caught planning it, should their family, associates, friends - anyone who might have had some knowledge of the incident or been able to stop it, or worse, have aided in it - be arrested, or at least have their citizenship revoked and be deported? People can be quick to sign up to martyr themselves, but nine times out of ten ask a man to sacrifice his mother, sister, wife, brother, they may not be so keen.

My pussy is soaking is wet!

Go to his Mama house! Drag her outside!

lol

Me: Islam is a **** religion.
Music Banter: You're a bigot.

... couple of attacks later ..

Music Banter: Let's cut their dicks off and put their mothers in detention centers without just cause.
Me: lol ok

~~imam mahdi~~ · 06-04-2017, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

This isn't a bad idea imo.

isn't a bad idea, and yet is also one step closer towards a totalitarian state. yea, cliche, i know. but trollheart had to go and bring the family and friends angle into it.

surely you've read 1984, th?

anyway, i'm not saying don't do it, but just pointing out the parallels.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 06-04-2017, 02:24 PM

^ welcome back mate.

~~imam mahdi~~ · 06-04-2017, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Surely not a physical representation of one's religious beliefs forcibly displayed on one's clothing, a ethnic and religious enclave carved out of the most dilapidated parts of the city where all members of the group must live, and severe restrictions on immigration to the point where the targeted group is cut-off from the outside world.

Because that would make someone a Nazi, and they sure are adamant about not being called Nazis.

yea guys, what are you crazy? we don't want to start seeing pure muslim ghettos in europe. that would be terrible!

Trollheart · 06-04-2017, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

New friends/job keeps him out; how do you define "odd"; could be gay, could be asexual, could be he's not in the right headspace, could be he just got out of something; yes, I agree if you talk about blowing yourself up it's a red flag; religiosity comes in goes in most people; I read about salafism pretty often - does this mean I'm at risk?

I don't mean to shoot down your suggestions. They come from a good place. But lone-wolf, or two, three man teams of radicals leave next to no footprint. You'll also get all sorts of false-positives using the heuristics you've sketched (and others have built on).

I'm not sure how to course correct for those already inculcated into the fringe death cults that plague Islam, but I do know that we can make the problem worse by banning/condemning/scapegoating Islam. It's so strange that the leaders of these radical groups are begging the West to make Islam the enemy, to ban Muslims from parts of civic life, etc. and we're, if not actually doing it, certainly discussing it like a viable solution to the problem. We are literally recruiting for them.

I understand there can be many innocent reasons why some of those points alluded to me could be explained away, but there could be a roadmap that could lead to the intent to attack. Sure, what you say has merit, and I don't like my suggestions either, but it's the lack of ANYTHING being done - oh, I stand corrected: big concert in support of tolerance and to benefit the victims. Why didn't I think of that? It's so obvious! Well, that's that sorted then, innit?

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isn't a bad idea, and yet is also one step closer towards a totalitarian state. yea, cliche, i know. but trollheart had to go and bring the family and friends angle into it.

surely you've read 1984, th?

anyway, i'm not saying don't do it, but just pointing out the parallels.

Of course I have. But as I say, a man/boy might be ready to sacrifice himself, but is he going to be willing to condemn his whole family? Hey, it could just be an empty threat maybe. I don't know, for ****'s sake: I don't have all the answers. If I did, I'd be living in luxury in Iceland, apparently the safest country in the world. I'm just throwing out ideas. Radical, yes, but it's easy to point out the flaws in my answers (and there are many, without a doubt) without suggesting your own.

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^ welcome back mate.

Who he?

~~imam mahdi~~ · 06-04-2017, 02:42 PM

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^ welcome back mate.

im guessing when janzoon heard about the london attacks he started to type "which part of europe..." and then was like **** i guess i have to let them talk about islamic barbarism this time.

lucky for him soon islam will annex most of western europe to the caliphate, and then this thread will become officially useless

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Of course I have. But as I say, a man/boy might be ready to sacrifice himself, but is he going to be willing to condemn his whole family? Hey, it could just be an empty threat maybe. I don't know, for ****'s sake: I don't have all the answers. If I did, I'd be living in luxury in Iceland, apparently the safest country in the world. I'm just throwing out ideas. Radical, yes, but it's easy to point out the flaws in my answers (and there are many, without a doubt) without suggesting your own.

i just wanted us to be cognizant of the path we are being lead down. i wasn't trying to sabotage your idea for the sake of it.

i don't necessarily know what the answers are. rise against rocks already ruled out rounding them up and putting them into ghettos and stopping muslims from coming here. the first two sound crazy to me. the last one.... i dunno. not saying "no muslims can come here" but certainly we should be vigilant about our immigration policies so that we in the united states don't end up in the same situation that western europe is currently in.

Pet_Sounds · 06-04-2017, 02:50 PM

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