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DwnWthVwls 10-01-2019 07:34 PM

Its not pointless though but i can always do more and do better

jwb 10-01-2019 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2081272)
Shrug. I've been through trauma bonding and spilling your guts. It's intoxicating but ultimately empty. Either the other person was just an unsuspecting sponge who didn't sign on for this **** or they have their own trauma they need to make bigger than yours.

yea you're right.. there's no such thing as sharing experiences and feedback without an ulterior motive just like there's no such thing as trying to work towards environmental regulations, enjoying life in general, etc

The Batlord 10-01-2019 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2081273)
This is my main beef with your pov

You aren't content with giving up on life and everything else

You view any semblance of hope as some form of ignorance you wish to stamp out

Once again, misery loves company

More like I see many forms of hope as self-deception and humanity in general is prone to romanticizing self-deception as hope to the point that the very concept of hope often becomes indistinguishable from self-deception.

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yea you're right.. there's no such thing as sharing experiences and feedback without an ulterior motive just like there's no such thing as trying to work towards environmental regulations, enjoying life in general, etc

Are you seriously going to pretend like you don't know exactly what I'm talking about with mutually parasitic trauma bonding?

jwb 10-01-2019 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2081281)
More like I see many forms of hope as self-deception and humanity in general is prone to romanticizing self-deception as hope to the point that the very concept of hope often becomes indistinguishable with self-deception.

you're assuming it's self deception

With regard to the specific issue of environmental regulation, I believe there's more evidence that it's made a noticeable difference in this country than otherwise



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Are you seriously going to pretend like you don't know exactly what I'm talking about with mutually parasitic trauma bonding?
yea I'm not sure what you mean by that.

The Batlord 10-01-2019 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2081282)
I you're assuming it's self deception

With regard to the specific issue of environmental regulation, I believe there's more evidence that it's made a noticeable difference in this country than otherwise

We might save some marshes and forests and that's great, but for that **** to be worthwhile we have to not change the very climate of the planet to potentially change the very landscape of those places we think we saved.

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yea I'm not sure what you mean by that.
You know. You make friends with someone. They have issues. You have issues. You both eventually end up spilling guts about your ****, they spill guts about their ****, you both think you're the best of friends, but in the end you both have nothing in common but bad stories and so you're not actually friends who click on any level.

Either you got lucky or you still think someone is your friend when they're not.

jwb 10-01-2019 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2081287)
We might save some marshes and forests and that's great, but for that **** to be worthwhile we have to not change the very climate of the planet to potentially change the very landscape of those places we think we saved.

uh huh. All or nothing, in other words.

Which strategy you honestly think is likely to get the desired result... Trying to inch towards All, or just getting accustomed to nothing?



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You know. You make friends with someone. They have issues. You have issues. You both eventually end up spilling guts about your ****, they spill guts about their ****, you both think you're the best of friends, but in the end you both have nothing in common but bad stories and so you're not actually friends who click on any level.

Either you got lucky or you still think someone is your friend when they're not.
lol

The story I shared with you is my basic story. But I've shared it with countless strangers in sobriety. It's not even close to my deep dark intimate thoughts and secrets.

The Batlord 10-01-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2081292)
uh huh. All or nothing, in other words.

Which strategy you honestly think is likely to get the desired result... Trying to inch towards All, or just getting accustomed to nothing?

I don't know. Maybe not pretending as a culture that recycling is a solution to a problem caused by a parasitic capitalist culture that uses recycling as a way of fooling the public that they can change anything without confronting that parasitic capitalist culture. And possibly admitting that the very concept of recycling in that culture is in fact an aggressive attack on truth itself.

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lol

The story I shared with you is my basic story. But I've shared it with countless strangers in sobriety. It's not even close to my deep dark intimate thoughts and secrets.
Well then I guess you just don't know what I'm talking about.

jwb 10-01-2019 08:25 PM

... the EPA goes far beyond recycling. Like I said earlier there was as time in the US that rivers caught fire cause of the amount of pollution. 10-20 years ago in LA the sky was often brown from smog. Now the air in that region improved significantly based on regulation.

The Batlord 10-01-2019 08:27 PM

1. In a different time tbh.

2. Not in a way that confronts something which necessitates the long term planning of climate change.

jwb 10-01-2019 08:33 PM

You keep harping on long term planning

It's very simple.. either we will develope the clean energy technology which will transform the globe or we won't

Long term planning is not necessary to make this happen

As I've stated we have under gone countless technological innovations without long term planning.. every thing from the atom bomb to the modern computer.


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