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jwb 08-01-2019 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2069801)
just think the "take on the fossil fuels industry" type language has a place

that's what it'll require either way

I agree in principle

Developing alternative energy is taking them on

Carbon taxes is putting up a toll booth the way to work

Frownland 08-01-2019 08:14 PM

If we reduce the cost of thrust, we can make space our new trash can and that solves the issue of unusable nuclear waste.

The Batlord 08-01-2019 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2069804)
If we reduce the cost of thrust, we can make space our new trash can and that solves the issue of unusable nuclear waste.

If you reduce the cost of thrust then WWWP will be the cheapest ho on the planet.

Sorry.

Lisnaholic 08-02-2019 08:54 AM

Even though fossil fuel industries have a lot of clout, change is a-comin'

Here are some stats about the sales of Electric Vehicles (2018) :-

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-...les-prev-1.jpg

Notice who is leading the switch to electric vehicles? Scandanavia and China. Of course the fossil fuel industries won't change overnight, but there is a global trend slowly turning to more eco-friendly vehicles:-

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It took five years to sell the first million electric cars. In 2018, it took only six months.
Is it too little too late? Maybe, but on environmental issues you have to look for good news where you can because the overall picture is so bleak.

(The graph and quote are from visualcapitalist.com.)

OccultHawk 08-02-2019 09:03 AM

Where does the electricity come from?

Lisnaholic 08-02-2019 09:11 AM

^ I don't know, OH. I'd like to say wind farms, but probably not.

OccultHawk 08-02-2019 09:25 AM

Well to answer my question in Norway it’s from dams.

Hydroelectric works great but I think it’s already pretty much tapped out world wide. And the dams aren’t exactly nature’s best friend.

I’m was being a little facetious with that question. I mean, in America driving an electric car isn’t much of service when the electricity is generated by burning coal.

Lisnaholic 08-02-2019 09:41 AM

^ Yes, good points all, OH. Thanks for answering your own question. If hydroelectric has reached its max already, there are projects for tidal energy underway in Europe I believe.
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The worst thing about global warning is that we can't predict all the catastrophes that it might generate. Here's a new one, unexpected afaik, and the result of the hottest June on record around the world. While in June a lot of the media focused on bikini-clad girls sunbathing in Paris, this disaster was getting primed and is now out of control:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49125391 = Arctic Wildfires

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...0&h=800&crop=1

And the worst of the worst are the catastrophes that guarrantee that the rate of catastrophes is going to get worse. See bits in bold:-

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This soot can be harmful to humans and animals, entering the lungs and bloodstream. It also plays a role in global warming. Nasa scientists say the soot absorbs sunlight and warms the atmosphere. If it falls on ice or snow, it reduces reflectivity and can trap more heat, speeding up the melting process.

The fires are releasing copious volumes of previously stored carbon dioxide and methane - carbon stocks that have in some cases been held in the ground for thousands of years. The fires .... emitted an estimated 100 megatons of CO2 between 1 June and 21 July, almost the equivalent of the carbon output of Belgium in 2017, according to Cams.

OccultHawk 08-02-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2069925)
^ Yes, good points all, OH. Thanks for answering your own question. If hydroelectric has reached its max already, there are projects for tidal energy underway in Europe I believe.
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The worst thing about global warning is that we can't predict all the catastrophes that it might generate. Here's a new one, unexpected afaik, and the result of the hottest June on record around the world. While in June a lot of the media focused on bikini-clad girls sunbathing in Paris, this disaster was getting primed and is now out of control:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49125391 = Arctic Wildfires

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...0&h=800&crop=1

And the worst of the worst are the catastrophes that guarrantee that the rate of catastrophes is going to get worse. See bits in bold:-

I met a guy at a punk show around ten years ago or more who told me this was going to happen. He said ALL the carbon in the Arctic is going into the atmosphere.

Lisnaholic 08-02-2019 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2069927)
I met a guy at a punk show around ten years ago or more who told me this was going to happen. He said ALL the carbon in the Arctic is going into the atmosphere.

Well, your guy was ahead of the curve, and his prediction will be truly catastrophic - not just the carbon, but also methane, previously frozen in peat bogs, is being released in unprecedented amounts.

On methane release worldwide:-

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"It's gone up by 150 percent since the pre-industrial period. So that's an enormous increase. CO2, by contrast, has gone up by something like 30 percent."

Molecule for molecule, methane is much more effective than carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere. And that's just part of the trouble. "Methane is much more complicated once it gets into the atmosphere than something like carbon dioxide is," Shindell says, "and that's because it reacts with a lot of different important chemicals."

For example, methane in the atmosphere also creates ground-level ozone. And ozone isn't only bad for human health; it also contributes to global warming. Shindell recently totaled up all the effects of methane emissions and realized that the heating effect is more than 60 percent that of carbon dioxide's.
Source: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=122638800


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