The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Yes we all know I'm a bad man.

My point is that all of the world's greater goals to combat climate change are ****ed anyway unless something changes in China due to the sheer gulf in output between them and everyone else. The United States is a non-factor in comparison, bar utilizing their military power or leading the way in additional sanctions.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 09:03 AM

Americans be playing six degrees of separation from China being behind the root of all their problems to distract themselves from the stench of their rotting empire.

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

we don't live in China

we live in the US

we can control what WE contribute, you start with that

What's the point if it isn't going to move the needle? The U.S. is already pushing forward their own internal goals to lower their emissions footprint. Is anyone else going to?

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

My point is that all of the world's greater goals to combat climate change are ****ed anyway unless we invade China to distract from our massive output. The United States is a essential to chinese emissions, so it's basically our land to invade anyways.

I read the Der Stürmer article too and it's blatantly false.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you could come to the UN and be taken seriously for one

And moving the needle for two.

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I read the Der Stürmer article too and it's blatantly false.

Nice try Boris.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54719577

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/eac...-co2-emissions

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emis...ped-countries/

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you could come to the UN and be taken seriously for one

China's pollution has a lot to do with US consumption practices anyway

you can't divide it into something like "they produce 30%) that's very misleading framing

It isn't misleading. If their population size is the problem, then that's all the more reason for them to be the #1 priority as far as the U.N. is concerned. If the goal is to actually reverse the trends we are seeing in climate change, you need to start with the country producing the most pollution and work your way down. At the same time, the U.S., EU and India should change their consumption practices to accelerate that process.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Nice try Boris.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54719577

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/eac...-co2-emissions

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emis...ped-countries/

Way to continually ignore that their emissions are largely derived from american industrial outsourcing.

Say, is this "China" in the room with us right now?

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Way to continually ignore that their emissions are largely derived from american industrial outsourcing.

Wrong. It's because they burn ****loads of coal and all the construction they do, all of which is domestic.

Changing who the U.S. decides to source from is pointless unless you can change the way that other countries actually produce things. This isn't hard to understand.

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the irony

I can stop buying potato chips tomorrow and those potato chip companies will just find someone else to sell to.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Wrong. It's because they burn ****loads of coal and all the industrial construction for american materials.

It's only possible to do one thing at a time and you have to choose now: remove the broader financial incentivization for environmental destruction to effectively address the issue in a way that can't just be shifted across a border or invade china

I'm well aware of the propaganda but you can repeat it a few more times if you want.

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