Lisnaholic

You make it difficult for me to slither away from this direct moral question, Batlord, even though it's of the kind I really hate to answer.

In any country that's even approximately democratic, I'm a law-abidding guy, so, the Yes/No answer, is Yes, I would condemn ecoterrorism because there are (however hypothetically) democratically-arrived-at remedies available.
If you're putting me in the position of a judge; what sentences would I hand out? I'd draw a line between property damage and kidnap/loss of life. For property damage, I'd probably give the lightest sentence/fine possible, but I'd come down a lot harder on any death/torture stuff - and even without torture, kidnap is a type of torture imo.

Anyway, that's the answer I'd give if I were sitting in a pub with my pals, at which point they would all groan and say, "You can never get a bloody straight answer out of this guy!"

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jwb

it's not at all dogmatic, it's very predictable given the recent history of the war on terror.

I'm not even saying it will lead to full blown fascism but it's pretty reasonable to assume it will lead to a crack down... Which might very well lead to more sympathy among certain populations for the insurgents... But can you give me a single recent example that would lead you to believe this tactic would actually work in favor of the cause... Cause even when it comes t to global jihad, yeah they're more powerful today than they were 30 years ago but are they any closer to establishing a global caliphate? Complete lost cause...

Fact of the matter is that batlord asked a loaded question and then the two of you have just been giving me **** for not answering it the way you wanted. You just want us all to agree and say yay ecoterrorism or what?

Frownland

Can you cite a single recent example of well coordinated ecoterrorism that you're basing your stance on?

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Neapolitan

The Monkey Wrench Gang. You didn't say it had to be a nonfictious example, only an example.

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The Batlord

Like I said, I wasn't talking to you. I was specifically asking Lisna if he'd become more blackpilled, not opening a thoughtful debate with the rest of the forum.

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jwb

No... That's why i want to hear more about what this would look like because honestly it's not based in the reality I've seen

Sounds like a decent movie or book idea to me more than something i would expect to happen irl tbh

jwb

You respond anyway so it's irrelevant who you were initially asking. Either take it to the pm's or learn some self restraint and ignore me if you don't want to talk to me. In the meantime if you post it in public I'll say what i want about it.

The Batlord

It's not that I'm not willing to talk to you but it was simply a question not framed for you and you don't seem to get that.

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jwb

I answered it regardless and i am confident one day you will come to terms with that my friend

jwb

I mean you're the one that says i have no principals or empathy... But i generally do think terrorism in general seems so likely to backfire and lead to so many negative consequences that i do instinctively view it as ethically dubious... Sorry if that bores you