Well maybe he's not "wrong" in a strict sense, but if the outcome is far off from your original prediction, then one would be inclined to ask the statistician (Nate Silver) what was wrong with his polling methodology/forecast models/etc. that resulted in the disparity between the prediction and what happened in reality. I'm guessing Nate Silver and Fivethirtyeight have released articles about things they didn't account for in the 2016 election, but I haven't read them. And even if I had, they could just as well give you a list of other things they didn't account for when Trump wins again this November.

It's a bit like a weatherman. Okay, you get the forecasts slightly wrong a couple times a week, it's understandable - but if you get the foreceasts completely wrong - and/or you do it repeatedly, folks are not going to trust you - and assume your team of meteorologists got their degree from a cereal box.

See, Frown gets it. :laughing:

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"Hey, as a proud centrist who forms all of my opinions on what right wing yokels and Wallstreet lizards will allow to happen, I take offense to that characterization."

The best part of this is that suggesting Biden would be part of this show is the ultimate burn.

I gave up on American when these *******s headlined MSG.

Respectfully, I think your problem is with statistics.

I stan for impractical jokers. Personally my tipping point for america was more of a nonlinear undoing of American Pageant propaganda than a certain event, but the public's response to the pandemic has been the most disheartening thing to date. I guess I'd be just as pissed off if I knew as much about something like the nature of Japanese internment and Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Tokyo while watching the public platitude their way into accepting them as not only okay but necessary.

I don't know how other Americans feel but it's also a real mind**** in terms of what reality is. We've politicized COVID, and I feel like I'm on the right side of history here by wearing a mask, and not calling it a hoax. And then I think "well is that just because you're a left-wing lunatic?"

What I can't wrap my head around is the 150k+ deaths continutally increasing in tandem with people claiming it's a hoax. I saw something last night that the Miami school system will only close if they have 25% of their students infected.

America has always felt like 6 countries to me. But this has really hammered it home. It continues to feel like the Southeast would rather die horribly than feel like they couldn't do something, and here in the Northeast when the government shuts down bars on St. Patricks Day we applaud.

The entire “flatten the curve” narrative was bs. When something this contagious and this dangerous strikes the only policy that makes any sense is doing what it takes to eliminate it completely. You can’t compromise with exponential growth. There was no political take, left or right, anywhere in America that wasn’t headed for herd immunity. Even the countries with the best success rates so far are still going to get creamed unless there’s a real vaccine. The whole **** during lockdown: I still need to exercise, I need to walk my dog, I need food. It doesn’t work like that. We needed a full lockdown - like you will be ****ing shot- and the national guard in hazmat suits delivering MREs and medicine and building private sanitary domiciles for every single homeless person.

When something grows exponentially the only acceptable number is zero.

I’m not known for nuance but this is a situation that calls absolutism.

Europe and Asia are setting themselves to get slapped back down, too. Even North Korea is making exceptions. This is a no exceptions situation.

Anyway, it’s too ****ing late. With these numbers we’re definitely going herd. Any other outcome is inconceivable. And that goes for entire planet, not just America.

It doesn’t matter what side you are or were on. Both sides are failures.

So if you were in charge of dealing with this on Feb. 1 what would you have done?

This is my first post from Feb 10

If I had been president, I would have had non-hostile no blame respectful communication with China offering the full support of the American government to do whatever it takes to contain the virus in China. I would’ve implemented open and respectful coordination between the US and Chinese scientific community. I would’ve had the same teams that contained ebola and modeled a response after the world effort to contain and eliminate small pox differentiated for corona. Countries that had successfully dealt with SARS and MERS would have also been on the team. There would’ve been a cooperative global effort to get on the same page and to respect and emulate the Chinese response.

I doubt I would’ve waited until Feb. 1 because unlike Trump I’d be taking CDC and WHO organization briefings and advice very seriously and I’d have competent people in charge of homeland security not just a bunch of stupid yes men lackeys. And there would be universal nutrition, housing, and health care in place. And the military would’ve had a plan in place to react to a biological agent because it’s the most ****ing predictable form of terrorism there is. So the plan to lockdown safely with food and medicine ready for distribution would have already been set and ready to go.

Houston, we have a problem.

Hawk, I get your point but I think you're being too black and white about it. The growth of things like viruses is not my field of mathematics, but saying that exponential growth is in principle uncontrollable is not true. How bad it is in case of the virus I don't know; I've barely looked at the statistics to avoid depression. But my main point is, keeping absolutely everyone inside would cause as much, or more, risk. What about doctors, nurses firefighters, etc? There is more work which is absolutely necessary than you might realise. That doesn't mean the governments haven't done a very bad job at handling the virus though :(

166,000 deaths and probably 20 times that with permanent health concerns is definitely a problem. And we just getting rolling.

But the most important thing is to hate China. Whatever happens China bad.

5000 covid deaths compared to 160,000 but China bad so bad

How the **** is there no response ready for a biological attack?

We only needed a makeshift infrastructure for a few weeks because the virus needs a vector.

And anything that grows exponentially and kills people and needs a host to survive - it absolutely is that simple.

Love ya bud, but if those numbers were swapped around you'd be saying "Well, the virus originated in the U.S. so they're responsible for every death worldwide. They should have contained it better. It isn't China's fault!"

And I’d be right.

doublethink

Rule 1) America is wrong
Rule 2) America is wrong
Rule 3) America is wrong

Until you get free money.

Nobody ever accused OH of thinking twice.

Trump is destroying America so I’m free to like him or not based on my mood.

Kinda like doublethink, right?

Kinda

I hope to live long enough to see one of you ****s admit you're wrong.

I've probably seen most of us do it at some point, actually.

A stuck up centrist admitting such is far less likely so I won't be holding my own breath.

Damn, bro. You got me.

I thought you were a liberal, not a centrist?

What kinda let them eat cake douchebag actually calls themselves a liberal in 2020?

I have to be honest, I kinda half agree with OH with wanting to see Trump destroy America like some form of poetic justice.

More of me wants to see America just do better, though.

More of me wants to see Trump suffer for being a tedious POS. The only thing that would make me want Trump re-elected is the possibility of the ultimate indignity to his legacy of him being removed from office.

Wouldn't voting for Biden make Trump suffer?

I'd never support Trump but you can't say that him being reelected and continuing his destruction of America wouldn't be some satisfying form of self inflicted poetic justice.

Like, look at these whiny anti-maskers then imagine them starving in the streets, being shredded by bullets in some kind of civil war or maybe being nuked or just any of the other horrendous things that could result in the many ways America could be destroyed by Trump.

Nah, cause if he just doesn't get re-elected then he gets to start on this whiny, annoying, martyr narrative he'll Tweet about for years and he'll have this whole subsection of losers who'll keep it alive and my family will be among them and bleh. I want his presidency officially tarnished by removal. Then hopefully he gets put behind bars. Best case scenario he isn't even impeached, just dragged out of the White House or a limo by an angry mob and lynched so that his last moments are of sheer terror. And hopefully it'll be filmed so everyone's last image of him will be losing that phony veil of projecting corny mob boss strength.

It's hard to call it poetic justice since the people suffering are the people who were already suffering and all the people getting rich off that suffering are just getting richer. I mean poetic justice should entail the wrongdoers suffering an ironic fate. Not really what's happening.

And you don't think the suffering are at all responsible for letting this happen?

I was wrong when I left Bach off the Freak Fighter Top 40

I was wrong when I talked **** on Biggie. And I was adamant.

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I one time said Kanye West made Daft Punk popular.

It's difficult to escape the influence Biggie has had. Hell, even on house music.



That's not that wrong. I knew quite a few people who never heard of Daft Punk until Kanye dropped 'Stronger'.

1) I don't believe he's going away as a cultural figure regardless of what happens so that's a non factor.
2) You think he would act like less of a martyr after getting impeached/removed than he would after just losing the election?
3) They already tried that and it didn't work. You really expecting back to back impeachments? Obviously the whole lynching scenario or even the idea of him being put behind bars is even more of a pure pipe dream, but you can rest assured if he wins he almost certainly won't be forcibly removed under any circumstances.