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Lucem Ferre 04-10-2020 06:17 PM

Uhh, it's like seeing those before and after pics of a beautiful girl who had her face burned off.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 06:17 PM

Batman used his wealth to create a cave-dwelling, cosplay family including a circus acrobat who regularly punch evil clowns and startle the police commissioner. Abuse of the proletariat is acceptable if you're charmingly eccentric.

Lucem Ferre 04-10-2020 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111929)
Batman used his wealth to create a cave-dwelling, cosplay family including a circus acrobat who regularly punch evil clowns and startle the police commissioner. Abuse of the proletariat is acceptable if you're charmingly eccentric.

And not real.

Anteater 04-10-2020 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111929)
Batman used his wealth to create a cave-dwelling, cosplay family including a circus acrobat who regularly punch evil clowns and startle the police commissioner. Abuse of the proletariat is acceptable if you're charmingly eccentric.

Yah. That's also partly why I thought last year's Joker movie was lame. They reduced one of the best characters ever into a boring incel.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2111930)
And not real.

You shut the **** up.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2111931)
Yah. That's also partly why I thought last year's Joker movie was lame. They reduced one of the best characters ever into a boring incel.

I liked it but not so much because it was an interesting portrayal of the Joker but because it was a pretty good movie. Like, I was waiting the whole time for them to connect the character's journey into becoming the Joker but that never quite happened and so I was left with just appreciating the movie as something comic book inspired rather than being an actual comic book movie.

Honestly I find myself not liking the Nolan Batman movies as much as I used to cause as good as they are and as neat as it was to see such realistic superhero movies in the wake of all those corny early-mid 00s comic book movies, in 2020 they seem kind of bland.

OccultHawk 04-10-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2111927)

No. I don’t remember whoever the **** that is.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111933)
No. I don’t remember whoever the **** that is.

He's a hundreds-year-old eco-terrorist who wants to drastically reduce the human population so that the earth can heal from pollution and deforestation who has assembled a cult following of fanatical assassins that see him as a messianic figure due to his using evil pits of nebulously supernatural liquids (Lazarus pits) that sustain his life indefinitely while also slowly driving him insane.

Except in that movie where he's just an old guy with some ninjas who just kinda wants to destroy Gotham cause it's too corrupt for his tastes and he's Liam Neeson so it more or less works anyway even if it isn't as cool.

Lucem Ferre 04-10-2020 06:56 PM

I'm sure Batman could get Gotham to go green if he tried. But he doesn't.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2111938)
I'm sure Batman could get Gotham to go green if he tried. But he doesn't.

Blame the incel writers.

Lucem Ferre 04-10-2020 07:01 PM

Nah. You should play some Soviet Jump Game with me, see if you can find me.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 07:15 PM

Still on a Chromebook, champ.

Lucem Ferre 04-10-2020 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111944)
Still on a Chromebook, champ.

Dang. Well I'm streaming again.

The Batlord 04-10-2020 07:21 PM

And another reason Batman is awesome is cause one of the Robins started out as a homeless smoker with a Poison Idea poster who tried to steal the Batmobile's wheels (and the Joker ran away).

https://i.imgur.com/j13p8gf.jpg


grindy 04-10-2020 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111880)
I want that but I think it’s going to take crazy levels totalitarianism to get there. That’s why I do feel sympathy for Stalinism. That whole thing of I want more than I need and defending private property to the death. So many people would need to die first before it could work. Capitalist brains need to stop living on this planet. There’s probably no other way to get there.

I don’t need another history lesson on why Stalin bad either. He’s flawed but so far he’s the best example of the process.

If Trump could trade capitalism for communism he’d love it. It’s terrible but I’d give him the reins if he started straight sending all property owners to their deaths. He needs a scapegoat. Class divisions could work, too. Hitler was a Jew. What’s it matter if the greatest communist is a capitalist? Trotsky called Stalin a capitalist. Stalin was a capitalist but most of the people he killed deserved it.

Hitler was no Jew.

OccultHawk 04-11-2020 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2111958)
Hitler was no Jew.

Well he was very successful none-the-less.

Lucem Ferre 04-11-2020 12:06 AM

Where'd that rumor come from?

OccultHawk 04-11-2020 12:14 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost...ish-597966/amp


Study suggests Adolf Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Jewish

OccultHawk 04-11-2020 12:15 AM

I have no idea. Idgaf. Surprised anyone made it through that rant. I’m feeling positively murderous today.

grindy 04-11-2020 12:17 AM

Not really the scientific consensus though.

grindy 04-11-2020 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111962)
I have no idea. Idgaf. Surprised anyone made it through that rant. I’m feeling positively murderous today.

I always enjoy your rants. Don't go overboard with the murderousness though.

Lucem Ferre 04-11-2020 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2111964)
I always enjoy your rants. Don't go overboard with the murderousness though.

I 2nd this.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111966)
most the people Stalin killed died of starvation

Socialism in One State is not communism

I had this argument with my friend the other day. Telling him that communism is the most congruent economic system with true libertarianism with the least amount of government. He wasn't hearing it because 'wikipedia says blah blah blah about China and Soviet Russia'.

OccultHawk 04-11-2020 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111966)
most the people Stalin killed died of starvation

Socialism in One State is not communism

I said I didn’t need a history lesson. I understand that **** but don’t care. Stalin put the pedal to the metal.

The Batlord 04-11-2020 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111970)
I said I didn’t need a history lesson. I understand that **** but don’t care. Stalin put the pedal to the metal.

To what? What the **** did he do?

OccultHawk 04-11-2020 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2111971)
To what? What the **** did he do?

He was a working class man by origin who ran a fierce campaign that was not threatened by counter-revolutionaries. In an equivalent situation in America, Bezos definitely would not survive. Nor would his family. And no one would dare say ****. Wouldn’t even have a ****ing funeral.

Anteater 04-11-2020 12:50 PM

Ok which one of you is actually this guy on YT.


The Batlord 04-11-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111972)
He was a working class man by origin

Who ****ing cares?

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who ran a fierce campaign that was not threatened by counter-revolutionaries.
And that accomplished nothing except put the means of production in the hands of different rich people.

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In an equivalent situation in America, Bezos definitely would not survive. Nor would his family. And no one would dare say ****. Wouldn’t even have a ****ing funeral.
That's nice. If all you needed to set up a utopia was revenge killings then Nazi Germany was a missed opportunity.

OccultHawk 04-11-2020 04:13 PM

What paperwork? Were you a non-filer?

jwb 04-12-2020 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2111842)
that's not really the point

it's just don't imagine proponents of direct democracy as asking for a giant poll

that would indeed be pretty unwieldy

maybe not in your case, but one form of direct democracy is voting directly on policy initiatives. It's this form that people would point towards in a country like Switzerland, for example. So I don't think it's really mutually exclusive with the idea of a nation state.

As for unweildy, it doesn't seem less workable than the kind of completely decentralized global order you are speaking of. If anything I'd say the opposite is true.
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111855)
We live a lifestyle that is unsustainable. That means if we continue like this billions will die. Then if you offer a suggestion people disregard it like it’s ridiculous as if our actually reality isn’t. You hear “That’ll never work!” Well guess what? This **** isn’t working.

Our current political systems cannot take us another century as a species so clinging on to the status quo is infinitely more naive than embracing radical change.

Even if the current system is unsustainable long term, that doesn' necessarily mean it can be replaced with just anything

I'm not even saying "that could never happen" I'm saying I don't see it personally. The moral imperative collapses for me when you aren't presenting a true option out. It's very similar to me to when libertarians say taxation is theft. And so what if it is? I believe that any form of advanced society is and has always been built on top of a foundation of coercive force. I'm happy to discuss other possibilities, I just won't accept them unquestioningly.

jwb 04-12-2020 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2111880)
I want that but I think it’s going to take crazy levels totalitarianism to get there. That’s why I do feel sympathy for Stalinism.

that was the idea in the Soviet and Soviet-esque societies too. I actually have some strange type of sympathy for that impulse on some level as well but it goes without saying that totalitarians never willingly relinquish power once they get it. So the dream that it's a stepping stone to true democracy is just that - a dream. It's much more likely that democracy is yet another stepping stone to authoritarianism.

OccultHawk 04-12-2020 07:53 AM

That’s all true I figure.

The Batlord 04-12-2020 08:28 AM

We need a Bond villain to set off a nuclear holocaust that doesn't quite kill everyone. Only a Bond villain can be trusted to make the right choice.

Anteater 04-12-2020 08:38 AM

Nah, what we need are hostile aliens from another star system to hate unconditionally. It's the only thing that would motivate and unite humanity at a global scale.

Frownland 04-12-2020 08:42 AM

Hating aliens got Donald Trump the presidency though :drummer:

Anteater 04-12-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2112103)
Hating aliens got Donald Trump the presidency though :drummer:

"The Space Force tells me they're rapists. And some, I assume, are good squids."

jwb 04-12-2020 08:56 AM

I've been told some dolphins have been known to rape

Starting a petition to change the team name to the Miami Rapists

WWWP 04-12-2020 08:59 AM

Dolphins, otters, ducks, all rapists.

The Batlord 04-12-2020 02:09 PM

Jaws is looking a lot friendlier all of a sudden.

Lucem Ferre 04-12-2020 04:14 PM

Female duck vaginas are actually evolving to prevent rapist ducks from getting them pregnant. It's a bit weird but has to do with the fact that ducks have corkscrew dicks.

Feminist ducks.

The Batlord 04-12-2020 04:27 PM

*male ducks evolve tentacle penises*

*female ducks evolve multidimensional vaginas*

DwnWthVwls 04-12-2020 04:50 PM

https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/2017/socialenviro.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/1e...544b965590.jpg


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