Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1855861)

Right here is where you claim there are alternatives.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1855861)

You don't think those actions go hand in hand with protecting us?

I guess you think that the only time we should be involved in a war is when it is already too late and they are on our shores.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1855868)

As already stated, that's so vague I can't even answer it. Possibly yes, in some cases. It better be damn close to that. Can you give me an example of a war after 1945 that if Americans were not proactively aggressive any of our enemies would have been on our shores or attacking our freedoms?

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1855863)

It's a tough one to say if someone who volunteered for Iraq deserves my respect

I mean they might have been willing to die to protect me even if they're being tricked into a phony war

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1855872)

Not attacking your positions in general, just pointing out that I highly doubt the Nazis or Japanese would have been on our shores. No way they'd be delusional enough to think it would work or at least be worth it. They'd probably just use economic pressure to bring us in line.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1855875)

Which is why I included "or threatening our freedoms", which you pointed out in your previous post about the war of 1812

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1855872)

Not attacking your positions in general, just pointing out that I highly doubt the Nazis or Japanese would have been on our shores. No way they'd be delusional enough to think it would work or at least be worth it. They'd probably just use economic pressure to bring us in line.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1855808)

Well it depends on if you want to be entertained or educated. The work phase is assessment and something must be taught before it can be assessed. If students aren't learning during a competent lecture they're either stupid or lazy. Discussions feel nice and look good because there's naturally high engagement. Unless it's free it shouldn't be an equalitarian situation. The professor is being paid supposedly because he knows the content. Unless the students are being formally assessed they should be listening and asking questions only.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1855856)

As far as I can remember the last war truly defending our country was the War of 1812.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1855878)

You think Tojo and Hitler would have said alright we conquered Europe and Asia time to apply sanctions on America?

Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1855881)

I guess Pearl Harbor doesn't count?

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1855885)

I definitely don't think it was the beginning of a Japanese invasion. They were just trying to set us back so they could seize as much territory and resources as they could before we got back on our feet.

Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1855886)

But doesn't defending Hawaii count as "defending your country," even if it wasn't a state at the time?