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Old 07-15-2017, 02:18 PM   #231 (permalink)
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Technically, but there was never a serious threat of Japan encroaching on our territory besides a few pissant islands like the Aleutians and Midway. It was just offense as defense.
They were fanatical about winning dominion over those "pissant" islands. If the Allies hadn't gone in with flame throwers and burnt them out after they were already hunkered down the Japanese would have developed infrastructure and Navy bases to further their agenda. They had Korean slave labor as well. If those islands were strategically irrelevant the Allies wouldn't have sacrificed so much to control them.

And Hitler was clear he wanted all non-Aryans dead. He wasn't particularly prone to compromise.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:23 PM   #232 (permalink)
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They were fanatical about winning dominion over those "pissant" islands. If the Allies hadn't gone in with flame throwers and burnt them out after they were already hunkered down the Japanese would have developed infrastructure and Navy bases to further their agenda. They had Korean slave labor as well. If those islands were strategically irrelevant the Allies wouldn't have sacrificed so much to control them.
I'm not that up on Midway, but the Aleutians were definitely not important to anybody. Those Japanese soldiers were basically abandoned once they'd done their job, and America only bothered with them because it was their home territory. They were a symbolic conquest with no strategic benefit for the sake ****ing with us.

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I doubt Hitler was particularly racially concerned with a nation of largely white Anglo-Saxons.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:28 PM   #233 (permalink)
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I know what the national reaction to Pearl Harbor was, but I doubt anyone in power who knew what the power disparity was between Japan and America was truly worried about invasion.
We were coming out of the Great Depression and the potential of our industry was uncertain. We were dealing with war in Europe and rations and female factory workers. Hindsight is 20/20. We couldn't afford to take victory for granted. The Japanese had defeated Russia in the early 20th century and were a serious imperial force in Asia. The had huge warships and the zero and deadly determination. We took it seriously enough to put Japanese Americans in internment camps.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:35 PM   #234 (permalink)
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I doubt Hitler was particularly racially concerned with a nation of largely white Anglo-Saxons.
You might want to ask the English who lived through it how serious he was. Or the Russians and the Poles. It's only speculation but the idea that a victorious Hitler wouldn't have expanded beyond Europe is inconceivable imo.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:37 PM   #235 (permalink)
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You might want to ask the English who lived through it how serious he was. Or the Russians and the Poles. It's only speculation but the idea that a victorious Hitler wouldn't have expanded beyond Europe is inconceivable imo.
Most definitely. He probably would've taken South America first so he could have land access. Although you can never know, meth makes people pretty crazy, especially powerful ones.
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We were coming out of the Great Depression and the potential of our industry was uncertain. We were dealing with war in Europe and rations and female factory workers. Hindsight is 20/20. We couldn't afford to take victory for granted. The Japanese had defeated Russia in the early 20th century and were a serious imperial force in Asia. The had huge warships and the zero and deadly determination. We took it seriously enough to put Japanese Americans in internment camps.
As far as I know the Russo-Japanese war wasn't anything more than a generic war for stuff the same as so many wars that didn't end in ultimate capitulation. It's not like Russia was worried about the yolk of Japanese oppression and soldiers marching through the streets of Moscow. It was just an imperialist war. I know America took Japan seriously, but I don't imagine we had any illusions that they were doing anything but keeping us at bay until they could solidify their position in the Pacific.

Honestly, my knowledge of the time and place at the early stages of the war has mostly reached its limit, but you'd have to come with an argument including a reputable link to rock my world. Or just, you know, a really good argument.
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Why don't you post a Hitler meme and we'll call it a draw? Let's be adults about it!
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I'd sooner go to prison, than go to war on behalf of this country, unless I felt the war was justified. Why people would rather go risk their lives in a war they do not support than go to prison is baffling to me.
yet it's a good thing they do, because without our military empire this country wouldn't be nearly as prosperous or successful as we are.
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out of the the 3, ant seems like he doesnt belong on the list. he basically gets **** for being the only person defending trump in a thread that is otherwise just a liberal anti-trump circle jerk. does he go tit for tat with his opponents when they get childish? sure, he's only human. but ffs do you really just want an echo chamber where NOBODY questions the prevailing pov?

chula- old, stubborn, stuck in his ways. i give him a sort of a pass for being old and that's just how the elderly are, they don't want to be preached to they just want to be listened to. we'll all probably end up there, someday.

elf - you have potential my friend as you are clearly well versed in what positions you take on any given issue. but as others have indicated, just stating your position again and again is an empty gesture. you say that debating the untouchables only elevates their position... you are too concerned with the war of ideas and not concerned enough with the ideas themselves. i spent a long time online debating creationists when i was younger. you know what happened as a result? did i ever convert a single creationist? no. but i gained a much more thorough understanding of evolution, religion, etc. it was only by taking them serious, checking their claims, and critically analyzing my own position that i ever made any intellectual progress. so if you take the lazy way out and say "nah not worth addressing" and just keep reiterating your position, you will only limit yourself and basically become the archetype of what is known as a "coffee shop intellectual."
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