Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

you're imagining a place that makes money selling fish outside the capitalist framework. Got it.

In this case it’s called a cooperative.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

your work has an inherent worth regardless of the market factors

No it doesn't. The entire premise of labor theory of value rests the idea a commodity is made more valuable to a consumer based on your labor. That premise only makes sense in the context of a market.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

In this case it’s called a cooperative.

Call it what you want. Cooperatives exist within the capitalist framework and they aren't competitive with the corperations if the world. You don't deserve that much money for cutting fish cause it's an easily replaced low skill job.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:08 PM

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the only thing that adds value such that there is a surplus is the labor of workers

capitalists profit is them pocketing the surplus workers create through extortion

if that's true then why not just buy a bunch of fish, cut it up, and rake in all the profit? Maybe cause the business model is what allows for that profit in the first place and you don't have the means or ability to replicate it, where as they can very easily replace the labor you provide?

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:12 PM

That's great. Work for one of them.

I did say they exist. They just aren't competitive with the Walmarts of the world.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I don’t care if two entirely hypothetical what ifs in my mind don’t play into each other. I think concerning yourself with inconsistencies and apparent hypocrisies will make you a simplistic linear thinker. I’m a citizen for a non-linear future. I’m a complicated brother.

That's a very convenient way to avoid self doubt it critical thinking.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Call it what you want. Cooperatives exist within the capitalist framework and they aren't competitive with the corperations if the world. You don't deserve that much money for cutting fish cause it's an easily replaced low skill job.

So you want to take this to the personal level again...

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the market factor I'm talking about is the dynamic between wotkers and owners

if workers unionize Labor Theory of Value becomes apparent as you remove the power imbalance

I'm not against unions but that only takes you so far. You aren't going to make 10k I'm a night cutting fish because you aren't worth that much. Without the infrastructure the business provides your labor is essentially rendered worthless.

Otherwise why not just start you own business and rake in all the profits like I said.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

That's a very convenient way to avoid self doubt it critical thinking.

Is this where we’re going?

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's great. Work for one of them. I did say they exist. They just aren't competitive with the Walmarts of the world.