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Old 07-31-2019, 12:45 PM   #2441 (permalink)
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It's just reality. Nice misuse of a racial slur though, Utah.
Perfect use of it. Kiss up to the people that exploit you by insinuating they are more valuable than the laborer. Which is literally retarded. You have no business with no product and no product with out laborers to produce it. Perhaps you completely misread his point that never said that marketing and management is unimportant, just that laborers should be treated just as important as anybody else in the company.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:49 PM   #2442 (permalink)
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Perfect use of it. Kiss up to the people that exploit you by insinuating they are more valuable than the laborer. Which is literally retarded. You have no business with no product and no product with out laborers to produce it. Perhaps you completely misread his point that never said that marketing and management is unimportant, just that laborers should be treated just as important as anybody else in the company.
it's not a perfect use of it cause I'm not black and you're from Utah
Come visit me in Greensboro and use that term out loud and see what happens to you

They're not as valuable cause they're more replaceable. That's just the reality of the matter.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:52 PM   #2443 (permalink)
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simply put, there is no value generated if there is no labor, there is no surplus

again, ain't no fish getting served if nobody cuts them

what you're describing by saying workers are replaceable is a result of a power imbalance

it has no bearing on the value of the work itself, which is inherently valuable proportional to the surplus
You're just ignoring my point. There will always be someone there to cut them. The second there isn't, they will automate.

The workers are less powerful precisely because they're more replaceable, not vice versa.

And the value of their work is once again based on the market and what people will pay for the product they produce.
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In any job I've had I've seen management, marketing and all the other **** shift around just as much as laborers.

Like ****, every year they produce Punkn at Uinta and every year we ended up dumping every keg because nobody buys it. Doesn't take a genius to know that we probably shouldn't keep making a ****ty beer that doesn't sell yet some how you think that person is worth more than the laborers that also know. These people are not as competent as you think.
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I'm not saying they're not replaceable at all but there is a vastly smaller pool of applicants, hence higher wages.

It's really very simple, the harder you are to replace the more the soulless corperations will pay for you.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:56 PM   #2446 (permalink)
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You're just ignoring my point. There will always be someone there to cut them. The second there isn't, they will automate.

The workers are less powerful precisely because they're more replaceable, not vice versa.

And the value of their work is once again based on the market and what people will pay for the product they produce.
No, they just like to make you think they're less replaceable. They get replaced all the time.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:59 PM   #2448 (permalink)
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I'm not saying they're not replaceable at all but there is a vastly smaller pool of applicants, hence higher wages.
My crew outlasted management. Literally the only difference between us and the people that run the other parts is typically a degree. I assure you they're easily replaced. Just as sure as I know my bosses had no ****ing clue how the production line runs.
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You might know I used to teach history. So when I started that job I took an interest in how the restaurant came to be. I started asking all the managers and chefs and workers about the history of the restaurant then I went on a mad google spree and pieced it together.

The original brothers who opened the retardant were connected to group of pro-segregationist white male Southern Baptist politicians called the Pork Chop Gang

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_Chop_Gang

In exchange for political favors the “entrepreneurs” who handed this establishment down to its current owners were given a sweetheart deal monopolizing a huge swath of waterfront property and a marina. They were given the location and the access to the sea (and the fish in it) simply for being connected white males. So the entrepreneurial advantage awarded to them by a Jim Crow corrupt government was a perfect location and control of a huge fishing dock, and they didn’t even have to compete. It was ****ing gift wrapped.

So truthfully, given those advantages, I think I’d be making millions of dollars a year just like they are. And considering how the human brain works I’d probably think I earned every cent. Even more than $500 a day if you can believe it.
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