Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

So you want to take this to the personal level again...

it applies to anyone doing the same job. You are basically worth whatever your competitor is willing to work for.

That is the logic behind unions and collective bargaining. But in this day and age, for low skilled jobs, that only gets you so far. They will always find either non Union replacements or just automate.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I'm not against unions but that only takes you so far. You aren't going to make 10k I'm a night cutting fish because you aren't worth that much. Without the infrastructure the business provides your labor is essentially rendered worthless.

Otherwise why not just start you own business and rake in all the profits like I said.

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$500 a day

Please read or don’t respond

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

if we allowed the markets to actually decide what worlers "deserve"

many workers would make less than 7.25 an hour here in Texas

because it's nothing to do with the value of the work, it's that capitalist can abuse their position of power

I don't disagree with minimum wage.

But once again that only gets you so far
The business will take the Lions share of the profits because they contribute more to those profits than you do merely by the infrastructure they provide.

It's easy to think the profit the local McDonald's takes in comes down to their fry cooks and cashier's when it really has more to do with their business model, advertising campaigns, location, etc.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

if we allowed the markets to actually decide what worlers "deserve"

many workers would make less than 7.25 an hour here in Texas

because it's nothing to do with the value of the work, it's that capitalist can abuse their position of power

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/07/18/us/....google.com%2F

Nearly 100 bodies found at a Texas construction site were probably black people forced into labor -- after slavery ended

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Please read or don’t respond

you would be very lucky to make that either, on your own

Real talk you decide to try to sell fish on the side how much money do you think you can take in a night?

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

you would be very lucky to make that either, on your own

Real talk you decide to try to sell fish on the side how much money do you think you can take in a night?

If I worked in organized tandem with all the other kitchen staff in there considering how talented those people are: $500 a day.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

you would be very lucky to make that either, on your own

Real talk you decide to try to sell fish on the side how much money do you think you can take in a night?

Sounds like some uncle tom ****.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:36 PM

It takes more than just laborers. You need a viable business to make that possible. If you can pull that off, then fantastic. Lemme know when you're hiring.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Sounds like some uncle tom ****.

It's just reality. Nice misuse of a racial slur though, Utah.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:43 PM

My dad actually was a laborer who ran his own business doing pool decks and **** and made good money doing it. I'm not saying it's never possible but the more unskilled/replaceable the labor, the less viable it becomes.

He also spent his life ducking the IRS and any other business related laws.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It takes more than just laborers. You need a viable business to make that possible. If you can pull that off, then fantastic. Lemme know when you're hiring.

07-31-2019, 12:43 PM	#2440 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	My dad actually was a laborer who ran his own business doing pool decks and **** and made good money doing it. I'm not saying it's never possible but the more unskilled/replaceable the labor, the less viable it becomes. He also spent his life ducking the IRS and any other business related laws.