I agree with Big3 too when it comes to Trump winning a primary with ten or more candidates; that's pretty much how he won in 2016.

But if the Repubs are smart (and they are learning from the Dems very well how to take defeat from the jaws of victory), they'll surround themselves around one viable candidate that will wipe the floor with Trump. Maybe it's Desantis but I still have a feeling his star is going to wane over the next two years. Realistically, though, I think there are too many egos in both parties for a smooth primary season.

The question is what does a "viable" gop candidate look like. I don't see them going for anyone that moderate which is why I think DeSantis and Trump are both trying to lean in on the same far right crowd. DeSantis has the veneer of civility politics but he's still more like Trump than he is like a pre-Trump republican.

Really? Who the hell else could it possibly be?

Not right wing enough?
https://cbs2iowa.com/resources/media...?1470067461569

Oh, I don't know. Cruz, Hawley, Hogan, probably about a dozen others we haven't heard from yet. Don't forget, they had 20 plus Republicans running in 2016.

In 2016 there was a complete power vacuum. That was before anyone took Trump seriously. Now, if you run in 2024 you are basically double crossing Trump, in his eyes. I think that could limit the size of the pool of candidates this time around. We've yet to see what a gop primary looks like in the Trump era.

Sparing you the math, if it's not DeSantis or Trump, I think the dark-horse option would be Rubio.

This might be the post-Trump era based on the mid-terms.

I'll consider it the post-Trump era when the GOP is no longer scared of crossing him. But yeah it's possible 24 will be that year.

Also, no telling whether he'll get indicted and what affect that will have if he does.

Or, you know, keels over

No chance in hell, he's one of the most unpopular senators in the country and his own party just barely tolerates him, sure he can win a gerrymandered hellscape like Texas but not a national election.

I could see him as the kind of boring candidate the establishment Republicans would get to run but it wouldn't amount to anything in a primary race, for the same reason Walker didn't, he's just a cookie cutter Republican with nothing remarkable about him, they're gonna need more than that to win over the Trump base.

Who?

I assume you don't mean Hulk Hogan, but honestly I'm not sure.

Yeah and look how that turned out.

I'm talking about my Governor, Larry Hogan of Maryland. He is considered a moderate and has been one of Trump's fiercest critics. If you watch the news networks, you may have seen him on there, especially during the peak of the Covid crisis.

Like I said, he is a moderate and, as such, probably has no chance at nomination, but that doesn't stop him from being touted as a potential candidate in 2024. And he certainly is a voice for reason in what is presently a very unreasonable party.

If the dems don't come to win and it's based solely on voting on a Republican to keep Trump from winning again, I'll vote Republican. and I have way more disagreements with that side than I do with the left though I fall in the middle on some issues. Based solely on the fact that I don't want another Trump white house.

Basically the dems better come ready to win.

Hell even Romney would be a solid choice though I don't know if that would or could happen.

Romney wouldn't have a chance with this radical bunch.

I could see myself voting for a Republican too in the right scenario. If Hilary Clinton had gotten the nomination in 2008 over Obama, I was ready to vote for McCain for example. My disdain for Hilary Clinton started when she played the outrage card and forced MSNBC to suspend a commentator that year. So, yeah, the Dems can't keep taking the left and minorities for granted, even in these shaky times.

Lol

People like you should probably be barred from voting tbh.

Pretty much what I was getting at. Itd have to be a specific scenario for such a thing to happen. Otherwise I go with whoever I think could do the job.

You said you would vote Republican to prevent Trump from winning. Unless you are talking about Trump running as a Dem, that statement only makes sense in the context of the GOP primary. But there would still be no reason to vote red in the general election. Unless you just want to.

If you read what I said I also stated that it's in the event that the dems dont being someone up front worth voting for. I vote dem 99% of the time. I was speaking in hypotheticals.

Though I doubt trump gets past the primaries so none of this really has any merit.

For the Republicans? Probably well since the majority of the public seems to oppose it.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-poll-7...e-64-oppose-it

I wouldn't mind my student loans being forgiven, all else said. Dems probably knew it had no chance of actually happening, but it probably boosted turnout for the midterms.

Ah good. The Cato Institute.

Can someone who knows much more about it than I (anyone, basically) confirm or refute that Trump being referred to the DOJ on charges of inciting to insurrection and election fraud etc is enough to ban him from running in 2024? If there is an indictment against him, does that preclude him from being considered, or does it have to be a conviction? And if the latter, can you realistically run with a federal indictment hanging over you? I just wonder if it will make any difference or is it just window-dressing again?

Legally speaking, I think Trump can run even if he's behind bars. That's what Socialist Eugene Debs did in the 1920 election. Of course, if he's actually elected, I don't know if Trump would get to run things from prison or he'd have to wear an orange jumpsuit in the White House.

The insurrection charge, if convicted, would be the only charge that would ban him from running.

They were discussing this on NPR this morning and had a lawyer on to verify.

The fact that he wasn't given a show trial and executed as quickly as possible is pretty disheartening.

Well we do have to pretend we're a democracy :D

That is ****ing crazy! So even if he's - no, hold on: someone definitely said a convicted felon could not run for the office of POTUS. I suppose his acolytes would just have another insurrection to bust him out of prison. Even if somehow he dies, I bet they elect the ghost of Trump as a sort of "shadow president". What a world.

The Nuremberg trials were basically show trials and nobody cares.

My god, you really are a Communist

You don't even have to be a communist. No constitution in the world is gonna give you an easy peasy step-by-step guide to dealing with coups and sedition. Sometimes you just gotta take out the trash.

Sure but you don't need a trial for that. Accidents happen all the time.

I mean you can say a show trial was the most justice has ever been just (many people are saying this) but if it's an accident then even Dem voters won't be able to argue that it wasn't an assassination. At that point you might as well just have him shot with no trial as an example. Might be the way to go tbh but I'm sure there are better rat****ers than me who can game out the best option.

Of course if you assassinate a despot, you run the risk of making him a martyr for the cause. It's best to let the emperor take his clothes off (and Trump is doing a pretty good job of that so far) and hope the flock gets it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOSTkFgtQ5c

This Congress is going to be an absolute **** show.

He was so sure that this was going to seal his 10 year long goal of being speaker.

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Before libs start patting themselves on the back over the right wing infighting I think it's entirely probable this is just the far right making sure the center right doesn't look at the midterms and think it means they should let off the gas and go normie. I think this might just be reinforcing that there is no going back to center right politics.

Why wouldn't the Left pat themselves on the back if that's true?