Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

I think you tend to give him the benefit of the doubt cause the people criticizing him are leftists.

You can think what you like. I think I'm more familiar with him than you are.

It's the Cathy Newman style of attack that strikes me as phony. And it's the same tactic being used by m many others.

Not all leftists. I saw an interview of him by some feminist lady where I sided with her more than him. Because she didn't spend the entire interview cynically trying to reframe his views as more inflammatory than they are.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2019, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

That's really not what I'm getting from him though. I think he favors monogamy on a pragmatic level as a way to structure society. That doesn't require any actual restrictions imposed on sexuality, if the mechanism by which it is "enforced" is by cultural norms. That basically describes the society we already live in, for the most part.

I don't even really value monogamy that much myself, but I just think what he's actually saying is less sexist than you're reading into it.

Ja I know, nothing that isn't completely unambiguous can't be racist or sexist.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I haven’t either.

So what informed your opinion?

Racists hypersensitively defending it as research gospel and the general reactionary nature of the passages that I've read.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Or maybe he calls it like he sees it and a hypersensitive subculture extrapolates their own conclusions and then gets worked up about **** he never even really said.

Maybe. Extrapolating one's own conclusions and getting worked up about something that was never actually said seems more like Peterson's field though.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja I know, nothing that isn't completely unambiguous can't be racist or sexist.

Racists hypersensitively defending it as research gospel and the general reactionary nature of the passages that I've read.

Maybe. Extrapolating one's own conclusions and getting worked up about something that was never actually said seems more like Peterson's field though.

I dunno, you seem pretty good at it yourself.

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 05:23 PM

Rubber glue fallacy

**Frownland** · 08-09-2019, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I dunno, you seem pretty good at it yourself.

That's what makes me so good at spotting it.

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 05:29 PM

I think Frown and jwb know that the first person to engage in earnest debate with the other is the loser and so they just semantically circle each other like two cats pretending everything's cool.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That's what makes me so good at spotting it.

I don't even necessarily mean that Peterson isn't guilty of it too - I would need whatever example you're thinking of to say.

I just mean that his critics are certainly guilty of it from what I've seen. Even your boy Matt Dillahunty said as much in the beginning of the debate you cited.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

I think Frown and jwb know that the first person to engage in earnest debate with the other is the loser and so they just semantically circle each other like two cats pretending everything's cool.

I think we just had more of an earnest debate in the last few pages then I've seen from you since I came back to MB.

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I think we just had more of an earnest debate in the last few pages then I've seen from you since I came back to MB.

jwb be like

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 05:35 PM

I would have to agree. He spouts incomprehensible jibberish and dresses it up as Marxism. He hangs posters of Stalin on his wall ffs.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I would have to agree. He spouts incomprehensible jibberish and dresses it up as Marxism. He hangs posters of Stalin on his wall ffs.