Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I mean Iraq was a disaster but it's pretty unlikely Bush would start another war after that. And it's also pretty likely that if Trump were prez when 9/11 happened he would've handled it similarly or even worse.

That was Bush Sr.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

That was Bush Sr.

Uh no it wasn’t. Sorry.

The Batlord · 08-23-2020, 01:37 PM

yikes

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

yikes

It’s been a long life.

I don’t know if Trump would’ve started a war with a country that wasn’t involved.

Maybe he just would’ve killed OBL at Tora Bora right off the get.

~~jwb~~ · 08-23-2020, 03:02 PM

It's possible he wouldn't though he supported the Iraq war at the time. Very likely he'd follow the advice of his handlers like GW did.

The real point is that the war in Iraq made war so unpopular in this country that it's doubtful the GOP are really going to try another one right now. So in the current context the lesser of two evils logic would apply just as much if it were a Republican running against Trump somehow. Maybe I ****ed the hypothetical up by picking an actual president in the past. Just replace GW with Jeb Bush and the point is the same.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 03:04 PM

elph

Would you vote for Trump if Hitler was the dem?

SGR · 08-23-2020, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I mean Iraq was a disaster but it's pretty unlikely Bush would start another war after that. And it's also pretty likely that if Trump were prez when 9/11 happened he would've handled it similarly or even worse.

Yeah, that's the thing - it's impossible to know if we play with hypotheticals. If Trump was president in 2001 after 9/11, would he have made the same decisions as GW Bush? Maybe, maybe not. A lot of variables. The hypothetical might be different if 9/11 happened in our current time.

Trump does this act where he brags himself up, talks about how intelligent he is and all that ****. I'm no psychologist, but it might be because he's insecure about his knowledge and capabilities as President- in other words, he knows privately that he's in over his head and doesn't have the experience to take in the information and make decisions accordingly.

GW Bush, on the other hand, had this act where he'd portray himself as this goofy uncle/grampa sort of character. He'd say **** so dumb that with any other regular person, you'd be confident that said regular person was just a dumb ass. I don't buy Bush's act, I think he was more aware of what he was doing than is often portrayed. I think Cheney was obviously a negative influence, but I don't think Bush had no idea of the possible consequences of his actions and I don't think Cheney was the one pulling the strings. In his speeches before he was president, he was a lot more articulate. I think Bush did this act to make himself more endearing and to make people more forgiving of him when his legacy is assessed, because after all, he was just a bumbling buffoon right?

I don't buy the act, and I think Bush was just a straight up evil mother****er. Trump has his faults, and he has many, but he hasn't started a war that has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands) yet.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 03:20 PM

Bush Jr was a vindictive mother****er.

I loved how he murdered Saddam’s kids and put it on the telly. That **** was Jesse James raw af.

SGR · 08-23-2020, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Bush Jr was a vindictive mother****er.

I loved how he murdered Saddam’s kids and put it on the telly. That **** was Jesse James raw af.

I was honestly a little disgusted when liberals all over Twitter were praising George W. Bush after Bush released that little Covid speech thing he did. Saying stuff like: "Now that's a real president right there" and "See? This is what we need - a president with empathy". I swear, these people either have a really short memory or are too young to remember the Bush years.

On another note, I hope the Dems aren't counting on the youth vote if we all vote-by-mail. Young folks today don't even know how to send things in the mail.

"Wait, I need a stamp? Okay - and where can I get one of those?"

~~jwb~~ · 08-23-2020, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Yeah, that's the thing - it's impossible to know if we play with hypotheticals. If Trump was president in 2001 after 9/11, would he have made the same decisions as GW Bush? Maybe, maybe not. A lot of variables. The hypothetical might be different if 9/11 happened in our current time.

Trump does this act where he brags himself up, talks about how intelligent he is and all that ****. I'm no psychologist, but it might be because he's insecure about his knowledge and capabilities as President- in other words, he knows privately that he's in over his head and doesn't have the experience to take in the information and make decisions accordingly.

GW Bush, on the other hand, had this act where he'd portray himself as this goofy uncle/grampa sort of character. He'd say **** so dumb that with any other regular person, you'd be confident that said regular person was just a dumb ass. I don't buy Bush's act, I think he was more aware of what he was doing than is often portrayed. I think Cheney was obviously a negative influence, but I don't think Bush had no idea of the possible consequences of his actions and I don't think Cheney was the one pulling the strings. In his speeches before he was president, he was a lot more articulate. I think Bush did this act to make himself more endearing and to make people more forgiving of him when his legacy is assessed, because after all, he was just a bumbling buffoon right?

I don't buy the act, and I think Bush was just a straight up evil mother****er. Trump has his faults, and he has many, but he hasn't started a war that has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands) yet.

.. you think Bush faked being a bumbling idiot cause he knew the negative reaction all his policies would get but wanted to deflect the blame? That's a hell of a theory.

Like I said though we've gotten way off point. Replace GW with Jeb Bush and the point is the same.

08-23-2020, 03:04 PM	#7916 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	elph Would you vote for Trump if Hitler was the dem? __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

08-23-2020, 03:20 PM	#7918 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Bush Jr was a vindictive mother**er. I loved how he murdered Saddam’s kids and put it on the telly. That ** was Jesse James raw af. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

08-23-2020, 03:02 PM	#7915 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It's possible he wouldn't though he supported the Iraq war at the time. Very likely he'd follow the advice of his handlers like GW did. The real point is that the war in Iraq made war so unpopular in this country that it's doubtful the GOP are really going to try another one right now. So in the current context the lesser of two evils logic would apply just as much if it were a Republican running against Trump somehow. Maybe I ****ed the hypothetical up by picking an actual president in the past. Just replace GW with Jeb Bush and the point is the same.