Political Discussions for "Adults"

DwnWthVwls · 09-05-2019, 12:12 PM

you lazy

The Batlord · 09-05-2019, 12:14 PM

Damn straight.

DwnWthVwls · 09-05-2019, 12:16 PM

Thats a you problem not a work problem. If you own that ur lazy you dont need excuses about why work is evil so stop spewing ur nonsense.

~~jwb~~ · 09-05-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

It mentally trains you to be an unthinking cog who devalues their own labor for the benefit of an employer who will most likely not strive to be as good a boss to you as you are an employee to them. Labor becomes something one does as a moral and social obligation rather than as a tool for their own betterment, optimistically shrinking from your reality because you are willingly widening the uneven footing between yourself and your employer.

****ing rednecks and their Protestant work ethic.

I'm a Catholic thank you very much.

And that's just a state of mind you are in. You don't have to be an unthinking cog to try to do a good job. It's actually much easier to fall into the slacker mentality. I did that for years and benefited nothing from it. Didn't improve my situation one bit.

You resent the employer and think that by resenting them silently you're maintaining some unspoken dignity. It's an illusion.

The Batlord · 09-05-2019, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Thats a you problem not a work problem. If you own that ur lazy you dont need excuses about why work is evil so stop spewing ur nonsense.

Yeah we're talking about this

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If the job isn't worth doing then it isn't worth doing right.

Not the idea of work in general, so please sit your dumb ass down. If you're a chef and you make good food and it makes people happy then that's worth doing, economic models aside. But if you're me then you're just constructing a facsimile of food on an assembly line which is a depressing subversion of what a chef does. AFAIC that's a job worth doing poorly because what it represents isn't worth maintaining.

The Batlord · 09-05-2019, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I'm a Catholic thank you very much.

And that's just a state of mind you are in. You don't have to be an unthinking cog to try to do a good job. It's actually much easier to fall into the slacker mentality. I did that for years and benefited nothing from it. Didn't improve my situation one bit.

You resent the employer and think that by resenting them silently you're maintaining some unspoken dignity. It's an illusion.

See you're not on my level. The unspoken dignity is a broken mirror reflection of dignity that I meditate on to bring forth my final form like a Final Fantasy boss. You wouldn't understand.

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

they play by the same strategies used by every already developed economic powerhouse

the intellectual property situation is really that the deal that's been made in the past is:

you can have our cheap labor but we want your technology

So that's fair and square ey?

The "omg America is LOSING to China" mentality is idiotic but there's no denying that they play dirty.

Lucem Ferre · 09-05-2019, 12:53 PM

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It's actually much easier to fall into the slacker mentality.

Maybe for you but I have a hard time doing that at work. I have a hard time saying no and even when given a free pass to do nothing all day I tend to search for **** to do which is weird since out side of the work setting I'm too lazy and unmotivated to really do anything.

And I completely agree with Batlord. Majority of the time it's exploited by the company that really doesn't give a flying **** as long as the bare minimum is reached. My supervisors appreciate it and they try to pull as many strings as possible to compensate me for it, however it doesn't make any logical sense to go above and beyond for a company that won't go above and beyond for you so I learned to not really judge people that put in the bare minimum or exploit every opportunity to be lazy unless it directly effects me. Most of the time I tend to offer my irrational need to stay busy to take the work load off of people that want to be lazy. Especially going through a manic episode where I can't not be productive.

The Batlord · 09-05-2019, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Maybe for you but I have a hard time doing that at work. I have a hard time saying no and even when given a free pass to do nothing all day I tend to search for **** to do which is weird since out side of the work setting I'm too lazy and unmotivated to really do anything.

And I completely agree with Batlord. Majority of the time it's exploited by the company that really doesn't give a flying **** as long as the bare minimum is reached. My supervisors appreciate it and they try to pull as many strings as possible to compensate me for it, however it doesn't make any logical sense to go above and beyond for a company that won't go above and beyond for you so I learned to not really judge people that put in the bare minimum or exploit every opportunity to be lazy unless it directly effects me. Most of the time I tend to offer my irrational need to stay busy to take the work load off of people that want to be lazy. Especially going through a manic episode where I can't not be productive.

The idea that you should always try your best and work hard isn't even inherently a bad idea but in the context of worker/employer relations it's suicide for the worker. Companies are expected to ruthlessly make as much money as possible while spending as little as possible while workers are expected to always put their best foot forward, work hard, and be honest and trustworthy employees? The two parties are being told to operate on two completely different moral ideologies that encourage exploitation by the one and diligence and sacrifice for the other.

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

all things considered I think the only real crime China commits is against its own workers

likewise it's our own finnancial sector that's the real threat to us

Do you think that their relationship with North Korea is enabling the oppression of their people?