Political Discussions for "Adults"

Lucem Ferre · 09-05-2019, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

The idea that you should always try your best and work hard isn't even inherently a bad idea but in the context of worker/employer relations it's suicide for the worker. Companies are expected to ruthlessly make as much money as possible while spending as little as possible while workers are expected to always put their best foot forward, work hard, and be honest and trustworthy employees? The two parties are being told to operate on two completely different moral ideologies that encourage exploitation by the one and diligence and sacrifice for the other.

Yeah, basically. Especially with hard labor because doing hard labor for 8 hours straight is going to destroy your body and you will never ever be compensated for that. They will find what ever loop hole they can to not pay expensive medical bills and unfortunately wear and tear on the body is not included in on the job injuries. It's considered part of the worker's responsibility to follow safety codes and make sure they don't over work themselves to destroy themselves but hey there is this deadline you HAVE to meet tonight or we will be upset.

Anteater · 09-05-2019, 01:43 PM

The issues you see people raise with China isn't nationalist propaganda. They aren't just stealing U.S. IP - they do it to European companies as well. And despite all the money they rake in from theft (and they are currency manipulators as well), they just blow it all on gigantic, useless real estate projects somewhere yonder of the Gobi Desert that nobody will ever live in. They make the U.S. government look downright competent in comparison.

Don't forget that Xi has literally become President For Life over there as well, which means future administrations are going to have to deal with China's current trajectory even if Trump can't "win" his trade war.

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 01:47 PM

Los Angeles was just a desert once too.

I wouldn't call their dirty tactics a threat to the states, just saying that they're present. I'm with elph that the biggest threat to the US comes from within.

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

China is not a uniquely bad actor

it's just a truism that all countries pursue their own economic self-interest with no regard for what's moral

That's some nice whataboutism, Donny.

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 02:18 PM

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would it not be in the interest of fairness to allow China to utilize the same policies the US and other Western countries used until they reached a position of supremacy

Sure, but it'd be more fair to pin the blame on both than say that it's okay because it's popular.

~~jwb~~ · 09-05-2019, 02:28 PM

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See you're not on my level. The unspoken dignity is a broken mirror reflection of dignity that I meditate on to bring forth my final form like a Final Fantasy boss. You wouldn't understand.

I do understand actually, that's a very poetic way of putting it. But I have a stance towards the **** the universe throws at me so that I lean in when it starts raining **** on me rather than retreat.

I test myself, like a constant game. IDGAF if they make a little more or a little less in the process. I have to play the game to get anything from the experience. I will squeeze blood from the stone.

I think it's probably also relevant that we've had very different experience working. You have had pretty much service jobs exclusively. I've had a wider variety of jobs with different challenges. It makes things a bit more interesting when you mix it up.

But ultimately I'm under no delusion that any given **** job will turn into a career. I'm paying off old debts and getting myself legal. It's a means to an end. In the meantime I use whatever experience it offers me as best I can. What else is there to do?

I used to just steal from the company and milk the clock as much as I could. I learned nothing in the process except how to cut corners.Which in essence leads to learning how to lie and commit crimes. Which I then hone a different kind of skill set in and lean on that to make up for my lack of income.

More self enabling. More torque in the downward spiral. I'm done with that ****. Do you though.

The Batlord · 09-05-2019, 02:49 PM

Honestly I think this is all so degrading and miserable that I don't see any reason to lean in. I see people dealing with **** and making do in their own way and almost universally I find their perspectives to be in some way repellent and naive no matter how likable that person might be or how much sense this or that idea might seem to make in isolation. I'm just waiting this life thing out at this point.

**Frownland** · 09-05-2019, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

"fair trade" is always going to be an open market for the more economically powerful country

but is that fair for the developing one?

it's going to be an explotative relationship

Building your developing economy on dirty practices just leads to the continuation of those exploitative practices once they become the more economically powerful country.

DwnWthVwls · 09-05-2019, 04:04 PM

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Yeah we're talking about this

Not the idea of work in general, so please sit your dumb ass down. If you're a chef and you make good food and it makes people happy then that's worth doing, economic models aside. But if you're me then you're just constructing a facsimile of food on an assembly line which is a depressing subversion of what a chef does. AFAIC that's a job worth doing poorly because what it represents isn't worth maintaining.

Its a job worth doing because it provides you with an income and because youre serving the public. The quality of your service has an impact on the society youre a part of. Grow up and be less selfish.

Lucem Ferre · 09-05-2019, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Its a job worth doing because it provides you with an income and because youre serving the public. The quality of your service has an impact on the society youre a part of. Grow up and be less selfish.

He works at a Burger King. That's hardly an income and it's impact on a society that's already expecting poor service is minimal unless he's contaminating the food.

Edit: Actually, you can argue that him providing poor service (which nobody says he does just that he doesn't think it's worth the effort to take pride in an unfulfilling job) is curving people from eating at an industry that is causing a health crisis as well as endangering the environment through the over consumption of meat. ****ty service from a shady fast food corporation may influence his local community to embrace more healthy options as well as explore vegan alternatives to combat the destructive beef farming industries. Or perhaps people going to a fast food joint are expecting trashy food and trashy service in the first place so the role a worker takes there is extremely vapid and it's ridiculous to pretend other wise.

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