How? I'd sincerely like to hear your answer
To Frowns questions I mean

You're referring to me not addressing your attempt to define nonbinary people by the imaginary self-aggrandizing trendhopper, right?

Nah. I said special title not special treatment. Pronoun usage aside i dont think they ask for much but its pretty hilarious they get lumped with lgbtq who actually have been historically marginalized. People who are different from normal social structures all deal with bullying and pressure, child/adult/man/woman, anyone who isnt cis gender is probably being targeted because theyre “weird” and mostly make no sense not because they arent cis (in most cases, no one would even know if they didnt say anything). Im not justifying this behavior towards them but i also dont think they need their own gender in the infinite spectrum. What does it mean to you when someone tells you they are nonbinary? That literally tells me nothing about them other then they might wanna be called something different, which im fine with cause i dont go out of my way to disrespect people.

Heres a couple examples of things i feel like i shouldnt do in society because ill probably have to deal with ****:
-not acknowledge the pledge of allegiance
-be openly athiest
-not respecting the military

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What are you basing that on?

If it's an infinite spectrum, what's the harm in pinpointing spots on that spectrum?

I'm with Marie and grindy that gender identity tends to enforce gender roles more than thwart them and that people should just be themselves instead of basing their behaviour/identity on their sex.

i agree with marie and grindy too. So whats the problem?

And pinpointing? There isnt some actual spectrum everyone agrees on or actual method to gender characterization. It doesnt pinpoint **** its mostly arbitrary with some minor guidelines.

And im basing it on my experience in the real world and my short time in the kink community where nonbinary genders were abundant.

I was mainly responding to your claim that nonbinary people aren't marginalized.

Yeah and again. They arent any more marginalized then other people that have quirks which deem them weird by societal standards. It seems like a gross false equivalency the compare to treatment of lgbtq and blacks to that of those claiming to be nonbinary.

Comparing lgbtq with lgbtq seems like a pretty exact equivalency but that's just me.

Theyre a modern attachment that got lumped in. Seriously, youre going to compare misgendering to the disgusting treatment of gay people prior to the modern gender dilemma?

Uh no. Are you?

Seems that you are when you say nonbinary and whatever is comparably marginalized to the lgbtq community prior to gender latching on.

Notice the deliberate lack of the +.

I didn't realize that it was a contest

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...LnswzRsKcaD3DZ

Its not. You just havent been reading what ive been typing.

Sure thing.

Thoughts on whether or not my stats qualify as marginalization?

No clue. Didnt bother reading em.

Big science.

Show me the stats with a breakdown of which gender each victim was. It would be a lot more useful.

Youre too busy trying to be right that youre just grabbing at **** to prove a generalized statement wrong without regard for some of my earlier comments. And im too lazy to rehash everything soooo ....

In terms of identity or sex? It seems obvious to me that the kind of person who would commit a hate crime towards a trans person would hold the same kind of contempt for a non-binary, genderqueer, non-conforming, biogender, etc.

Well i said gender so gender? Sex isnt gender get with the times.

In that case,

so I think it's pretty rational to say that non-binary people are marginalized.

Seeming obvious to you isnt good enough considering the huge differences between the genders. Id be willing to bet a majority of those cases fall in line with the more traditional mtf/ftm “trapped in the wrong body” people than any one of the 7 billion nonbinary types.

You don't have to agree with how they identify to recognize that they're marginalized.

Im still trying to figure out how you marginalize a group of unique individuals pinpointed somewhere on the gender spectrum and how their treatment is different from anyone else who falls outside societal norms and gets bullied, assaulted, and harassed.

By bullying, assaulting, or harassing them for falling outside of societal norms.

Cool now how many people who fit that criteria for reasons other than gender also suffer the same consequences, mr statman?

A gay friend of mine once berated me for "not embracing gay culture" cause I'm bi but I don't watch queer as folk and act like a sissy. I told him go **** yourself with your gay culture and your rainbow flag and your leather bound parades. I never signed up for that to be my image or identity and frankly it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

Bunches. If weirdos were a quantifiable, self identified group, then they would be marginalized too. You're saying that this is supposed to discount the marginalization of non-binary people?

So how is gender different when theyre all different arbitrary self appointed labels? If the majority of these crimes are targeting mtf/ftm than how marginalized are nonbinary genders?

There you go conflating the issue again. I'll let you try to work this one out.

Answer the second question.

“Poor white people are marginalized therefore white people are marginalized” #frownlogic

Do you think it would make a difference to the people committing those crimes if you explained the difference between them? They're marginalized by real world impact.

Yes. Do you think some ******* is gonna treat a male in transition the same as a college girl who identifies as nonbinary?

Again i believe its a lot more about the outward expression than the gender identity itself that bothers people. Which afaik there have been no good studies or stats for.

Do you think that some ******* who harasses someone because they think that they're a male in transition will change their behaviour if they find out that the person that they're harassing is just non-binary?

Frankly your insistence on invalidating the oppression that nonbinary people experience and removing them from the LGBTQ community is a form of marginalization in itself.

Tbh it depends on your environment

If you live somewhere liberal like parts of NYC or Cali then I think you get brownie points for being LGBT

But in certain communities there's definitely an animosity to it. Where I lived in Florida, we had 3300 kids in my high school and nobody was openly gay. Haitians, Latin Americans etc are very conservative on sexuality.

And I've seen something similar here in NC with Southerners, although it's not as severe cause times are changing.

Frankly i never said they should be removed and i think ur annoyed u have bad answers to reasonable questions.

You insinuated it.

Answer my reasonable question please. People committing the marginalization don't necessarily have to understand what they're targeting for them to marginalize a group.

Tbh my only thing with them is fundamentally i think some of the non binary types are just attention seekers.

They want the label but they aren't committed enough to alter their bodies.

Do juggalos count as a marginalized group?

They're a case of justified marginalization. Similar to pedos.