So identity based on music preference is the same as raping children? Or just this specific identity for no real thoughtful reason is comparable to raping children?

Listening to ICP is comparable to raping children.

My answer is i dont know i think it would depend why they are attacking them in the first place and i agree with the latter.

You joke but I've seen people literally get assaulted for it.

True, but there are plenty 'bisexual' people who are attention seekers too. 'omg boys think it's sexy'. The majority of sincere people can't help that

I've been targeted and attacked many times for being white. So I suppose white people are a marginalized group now?



only bi women. Men gain nothing from it.

That's mostly true, but my statement still stands

In some places, yes.

And I don't disagree with it. I think way more people are bi or capable of being bi and just don't know it though. But bi at least means something specific. You sleep with both sexes. The non binary thing is more ambiguous. The difference between a cis Tom boy and a non binary female is a matter of semantics and which label you embrace.

I'm a cis tomboy and I don't think that's true. There's a subtle difference

if you decided you were not binary I probably couldn't tell the difference

I think the subtlety arises because we experience our gender in many layers. The first is obviously our sex, there's also an obvious layer of superficial conventions: how we dress, act, our interests, etc. I think that there's something in between though, a part of our gender that's mainly sexual (but not our sexual orientation). I think that's part of why I, and many other young tomboys, come to identify themselves pretty unambiguously as female once they reach puberty. I'm not sure though and I need to go to sleep so maybe I'll read this tomorrow and be like 'what'

I don't demand anything of them

I'm just being honest about how I see it. I believe it's trending and people are jumping on the bandwagon. Not like that means I want to treat them any differently.

What do you think about otherkin?

Do you buy that they maybe should've been born a different species?

Yet that is largely what they proclaim and is what their actions seem geared towards

Eg injecting hormones of the opposite sex, plastic surgery designed to mimic the opposite sex, etc

Furries?

Vast majority are the way I described

Men who want to be women or vice versa

Those are people who you know are genuine. Anyone willing to take hormones or have surgery isn't playing games

As for the in betweens.. Yeah some of them are jumping on the band wagon

You live in Bum****, North Carolina, and are from Bum****, Florida, how would you know about any of these people other than from Youtube?

I was born Jersey. I've lived up north too. I've been around a bit more than you.

Nice dodge

Oh wow, Jersey, you're really moving up ladder the now.

Where all have you lived?

Btw when I said up north I meant Jersey, Vermont and Rhode island. Jersey is just where I was born.

I'm not

I'm not claiming superiority, I'm throwing shade at your experiences with trans people outside of Youtube that would give you the insight to distinguish between and then quantify the ratio of reals to fakers.

I'm not claiming some sort of expertise...I just smell bs so I'm calling it. If I'm wrong them I'm wrong. I'm just being honest.

And let's be really real. Your problem isn't with my credentials but with what I'm saying. If I was from San Fran you would still object you'd just find a different angle. So what you're trying to do is called "poisoning the well."

Who are you smelling BS from? A few goofballs on Youtube and I guess Tumblr of course? Is your honesty actually worth anything if it's addressing a non-issue?

**** yeah!!!

Nah I've met the non binary types at college. It's just a general hunch. It might be worth nothing if I'm wrong. If I'm right then it's just worth being right.

I feel like you wanting to shut this discussion down rather than engage in it is based in insecurity in your own position tbh

What is your point old man?

what's yours?

I'm just here for the free mints.

I have a hunch that you only want free mints for the attention.

I have a hunch that you want my attention.

I’m not even trying to be an ******* with this question.

Is everybody considered non-binary now?

ITT elph doesn't understand binary

I feel like you wanting to have ad nauseum debates on every single controversial topic is based in insecurity cause if you don't loudly proclaim what you think about everything then people won't know how smart you hope you are.

i feel like you turned that on me as a defense mechanism

I have only been responding to points as they've been raised. The fact is that as usual you have no response to my actual points so instead you seek to discredit me and poison the well.

Your point seems to amount to a different version of what I've seen all over the internet from people of varying degrees of toxicity. You don't really believe in trans people being the gender they identify as even if there's clearly something going on, what even is gender?, and non-binary people are chasing a trend. I mean what exactly is worth refuting? Neither of us have a smoking gun scientific study proving or disproving anything and to some extent we're either taking or not taking someone's word about something that's abstract to a point that even trying to articulate it is like grasping at water. There are psychologists and writers who try to shed light on gender but at the end of the day we're still taking someone's word that they're not just crazy or faking.

Personally I think that most supposedly trans people aren't going around actively making themselves targets of bigotry just to feel special, I don't know trans people IRL to be able to give any legitimate opinion on their sanity, and if some people are just "kinda" non-binary and maybe look like they're trying for attention and you're mainly seeing them on Youtube or Tumblr or some other site that attracts people seeking attention then that's not necessarily a hill worth taking if it's addressing a non-issue and spreading cynicism towards "real" trans people in the process.