Political Discussions for "Adults"

Anteater · 08-31-2020, 05:54 PM

I'll be pretty surprised if Biden loses tbh. He has everything going for him. Even the white suburban housewives want him because they think the riots will stop if he wins.

SGR · 08-31-2020, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Come on.. the riots have been going on forever now. Don't blame the conditions. Biden has virtually optimal conditions for running against an incumbent. The economy is stagnant. The country is in a pandemic and there's chaos in the streets. There's nobody and nothing to blame if you can't take the incumbent out here. Biden has a dick (supposedly) so you can't even blame it on misogyny. And the Russia excuse got old long ago. The pressure is on.

I thought for sure that after Hillary's loss the Dems would do some soul-searching. But I'm not sure that's really happened. I don't think many of them even know why Trump won.

As you pointed out, the conditions are perfect to unseat an incumbent - I predict though, that if Trump wins (and I think he will), the Dems will have more excuses for why they lost that have a shaky connection with reality.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I'll be pretty surprised if Biden loses tbh. He has everything going for him. Even the white suburban housewives want him because they think the riots will stop if he wins.

Curious - do you have any sources on that claim? My thought was that the white suburban housewife would begrudgingly vote for Trump because he's better positioned himself as the 'law and order' candidate. And if you know anything about white suburban housewives, they don't like their Target shelves to be empty. Biden doesn't have everything going for him though, namely his highly questionable mental acuity and the implications that might have at the debates.

The Batlord · 08-31-2020, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

I thought for sure that after Hillary's loss the Dems would do some soul-searching. But I'm not sure that's really happened. I don't think many of them even know why Trump won.

As you pointed out, the conditions are perfect to unseat an incumbent - I predict though, that if Trump wins (and I think he will), the Dems will have more excuses for why they lost that have a shaky connection with reality.

Yeah cause the Democrats aren't a force for change for the betterment of anybody. They're simply the avatar for the power of upper class white city dwellers.

Anteater · 08-31-2020, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Curious - do you have any sources on that claim? My thought was that the white suburban housewife would begrudgingly vote for Trump because he's better positioned himself as the 'law and order' candidate. And if you know anything about white suburban housewives, they don't like their Target shelves to be empty. Biden doesn't have everything going for him though, namely his highly questionable mental acuity and the implications that might have at the debates.

There's a lot of stuff out there like this.

Politico - Trump’s Scare Tactics Aren’t Working on Women in the Suburbs

SGR · 08-31-2020, 06:45 PM

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Nah you're definitely focusing on it given that you consistently conflate BLM with looting and rioting.

To be fair, BLM hasn't exactly helped their case in differentiating themselves from the looting.

BLM organizer who called looting ‘reparations’ dismisses peaceful protesting

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The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is “based on racism.”

Ariel Atkins told WBEZ that her group “100 percent” supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City on Monday, again repeating her claim that it is “reparations.”

“The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,” she told the NPR station.

“Because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist BS,” she said.

At least 13 cops were injured and 100 people arrested in violent clashes that led a mostly black community in the troubled South Side to kick out a BLM march the next day.

Atkins attacked Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot — who is black — for calling the looting “straight-up felony, criminal conduct.”

“It’s like her deciding what is criminal and what isn’t,” Atkins said, suggesting that calling the thieves criminals was itself a form of racism.

“I will support the looters ’til the end of the day. If that’s what they need to do in order to eat, then that’s what you’ve got to do to eat,” she said of those who even tried to smash their way into a Ronald McDonald House caring for sick children and their families.

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There's a lot of stuff out there like this.

Politico - Trump’s Scare Tactics Aren’t Working on Women in the Suburbs

That article sounds mostly anecdotal and unconvincing to me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that there is real information out there that confirms what you're saying, I'll have to look.

The Batlord · 08-31-2020, 06:55 PM

So Atkins is implicitly supporting Target and McDonald's as only doing what they need to do in order to eat? Looting multinational corporate chains cause you're ****ing pissed is a rational end result to those corporations looting your communities even if you're so ****ing pissed that you're not rational.

TheBig3 · 08-31-2020, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Since this is a thread about political discussion for adults, Big 3, I want to know your views on Harry Potter. Do you think muggles are superior to wizards?

I've never read Harry Potter.

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Originally Posted by jwb

Come on.. the riots have been going on forever now. Don't blame the conditions. Biden has virtually optimal conditions for running against an incumbent. The economy is stagnant. The country is in a pandemic and there's chaos in the streets. There's nobody and nothing to blame if you can't take the incumbent out here. Biden has a dick (supposedly) so you can't even blame it on misogyny. And the Russia excuse got old long ago. The pressure is on.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. How is Trump running on the riots me blaming anything? He is running on the riots, and the riots don't accomplish anything positive for the BLM movement. It only gives their opponents fuel to animate fence-sitters.

Lucem Ferre · 08-31-2020, 07:02 PM

They you never knew how woke Hermoine was. Hermoine would have shamed J.K. Rowling for her transphobia.

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 07:06 PM

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I've never read Harry Potter.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. How is Trump running on the riots me blaming anything? He is running on the riots, and the riots don't accomplish anything positive for the BLM movement. It only gives their opponents fuel to animate fence-sitters.

If he can successfully run on riots that manifested under his administration with all the other conventional marks against the incumbent that are currently in place... Then your candidate is **** and/or they ran a **** campaign. Simple as that.

The Batlord · 08-31-2020, 07:07 PM

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I've never read Harry Potter.

You must need a hug. Sadly I don't hug non-Harry Potter fans.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at here. How is Trump running on the riots me blaming anything? He is running on the riots, and the riots don't accomplish anything positive for the BLM movement. It only gives their opponents fuel to animate fence-sitters.

Because sanitized liberals like you agree with Trump that the protests are bad it gives Trump ammunition that the country doesn't support the protests. If you just supported them you'd be one less person agreeing with Trump.