Jordan Peterson - Get a damn hoover, ey.

Machine · 01-23-2018, 07:20 AM

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Before I watch it is it real or a spoof?

Real. Basically he describes how human behavior is inevitably linked to that of the animal kingdom no matter what. He uses lobsters as an example.

**Frownland** · 01-23-2018, 07:33 AM

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Real. Basically he describes how human behavior is inevitably linked to that of the animal kingdom no matter what

Lol he equates similar biological components with behaviour. Isn't it adorable?

Some trees leak sap when cut into. We bleed when cut into. We are basically trees and it's the most amazing thing that I've ever thought in my life.

OccultHawk · 01-23-2018, 07:34 AM

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If that’s meant to laugh at him it shouldn’t be. That was awesome.

**Frownland** · 01-23-2018, 07:35 AM

I'm not so sure you'd say the same if it was written down. Dude is an absolute hack. But hey if a bridge of flimsy premises is your thing then so be it.

OccultHawk · 01-23-2018, 07:38 AM

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Lol he equates similar biological components with behaviour. Isn't it adorable?

Some trees leak sap when cut into. We bleed when cut into. We are basically trees and it's the most amazing thing that I've ever thought in my life.

Sap and blood aren’t the same thing but serotonin is the same. During huge life defeats the brain literally transforms that’s a genuine relatable phenomenon.

**Frownland** · 01-23-2018, 07:43 AM

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Sap and blood aren’t the same thing but serotonin is the same. During huge life defeats the brain literally transforms that’s a genuine relatable phenomenon.

Do our serotonin receptors cause our brain to respond identically though? There are a wealth of other factors that can also affect that but he barrels through without considering it. JP is almost as big of a pseudointellectual as I am.

OccultHawk · 01-23-2018, 07:57 AM

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I'm not so sure you'd say the same if it was written down. Dude is an absolute hack. But hey if a bridge of flimsy premises is your thing then so be it.

I actually have a pretty solid understanding of evolutionary biology. I’m not claiming it makes me an expert but when I tested to teach it in high school I didn’t miss any at all.

I know that’s a low standard and kind of dickish to say but if you’re going to say flimsy bridges are my thing I’ll retort that I’ve read and thought about it a bit. I’d need to look much deeper to see how well-structured that bridge is but what he’s saying touches on something that at least feels analogous to me. I often feel my own experiences are reflected in the animal kingdom and often in painful ways. When I listen to him speak I enjoy it because I can relate to what he’s getting at. I don’t think he’s a hack but even if he is he’s a great ****ing hack.

**Frownland** · 01-23-2018, 07:59 AM

He's definitely personable but I've yet to see him make a clear or compelling point.

OccultHawk · 01-23-2018, 08:17 AM

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Do our serotonin receptors cause our brain to respond identically though? There are a wealth of other factors that can also affect that but he barrels through without considering it. JP is almost as big of a pseudointellectual as I am.

Maybe considering the format he’s presenting on he should qualify those points but as a listener I’m not assuming it’s worked out. I’m not assuming that these phenomenon grew in a common ancestor I’m just saying the lobster’s experience evokes empathy (in me) when he describes the restructuring of the human brain after difficult experiences.

If it were deep dish science it would take weeks to muddle through the details. Now, if I were his student, I would expect those details because that’s where the practical knowledge is. But as a dude to listen to casually I enjoy it. Maybe his classes guide you through the neural processes or maybe they don’t. If I were dropping 60 grand or whatever I would want information that I could use to formulate something practical and that’s going to be in the tedious details I’m not looking for in a podcast.

**Frownland** · 01-23-2018, 08:19 AM

If he's presenting himself on the strength of his ideas, they have to be well-formed ideas. I pretty much hold that standard to everybody tbh.

01-23-2018, 07:35 AM	#54 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I'm not so sure you'd say the same if it was written down. Dude is an absolute hack. But hey if a bridge of flimsy premises is your thing then so be it. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-23-2018, 07:59 AM	#58 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	He's definitely personable but I've yet to see him make a clear or compelling point. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-23-2018, 08:19 AM	#60 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	If he's presenting himself on the strength of his ideas, they have to be well-formed ideas. I pretty much hold that standard to everybody tbh. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x