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OccultHawk 05-06-2018 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by StaySkeptic (Post 1947388)
How hard can you derail a thread? Not that I'm complaining, I'm just impressed and maybe a bit jealous.

I planned it from the beginning.

The Batlord 05-06-2018 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by StaySkeptic (Post 1947388)
How hard can you derail a thread? Not that I'm complaining, I'm just impressed and maybe a bit jealous.

Tell me about your underappreciated condiments.

The Batlord 05-06-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1947331)

Totally an unfair assessment of their world view.


Trollheart 05-06-2018 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StaySkeptic (Post 1947388)
How hard can you derail a thread? Not that I'm complaining, I'm just impressed and maybe a bit jealous.


OccultHawk 05-06-2018 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947415)
we are complicit in the massive wealth disparity (between whites and blacks)

but if that's not direct enough there's the staggering incarceration rates

this is stuff arguably more nefarious than any direct violence, but don't worry, whitey has that covered to with your cop shootings

I have no income and I have never arrested or shot anyone. You live on the wild side son.

and all the colored girls sing

Frownland 05-06-2018 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1947353)
I gotta try this.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1947370)
So insane that I'm curious.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/FCgcgyDCc4ReE/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1947378)
sounds good. Ive had blueberry hotsauce before. I ate it with cheese and crackers

The Bravado one? It's actually pretty bomb, forgot about that.

Neapolitan 05-06-2018 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1947419)
I have no income and I have never arrested or shot anyone. You live on the wild side son.

and all the colored girls sing

You can almost hear Herbie Flowers' bass line when you say that.

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947422)
the statement "European colonists enslaved Africans" does not become less true because there were colonists too poor to own slaves

I get it. Your take on whitey is a lot like mine on muzzies. I respect that. **** the whole lot of them.

How did the whole immigration thing work out for redman btw

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947424)
"I think it is fair to say that, you know, that it’s a lot harder for other people … and I recognize that I am a Caucasian, like — I would love if this song were sung by a woman of color who’s had it way harder than me, and I think and I hope we get there. This is hopefully just a step in the right direction."

-Lou Reed


Fake News

DwnWthVwls 05-06-2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947415)
we are complicit in the massive wealth disparity (between whites and blacks)

but if that's not direct enough there's the staggering incarceration rates

this is stuff arguably more nefarious than any direct violence, but don't worry, whitey has that covered to with your cop shootings

Funny how when it comes to white people being part of the problem we don't get a pass, but when some gangbanger commits a crime because of the ****ty life situation he was born into it's not his fault. No one chooses the life they are born with, and your double standards are nothing more than bad logic.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1947423)
You can almost hear Herbie Flowers' bass line when you say that.



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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1947421)
The Bravado one? It's actually pretty bomb, forgot about that.

Yeah! I think thats the one.. Nice, I'll have to buy another bottle.

Trollheart 05-06-2018 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1947426)
Fake News

If it's not on the ONN it's fake news.

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1947443)
If it's not on the ONN it's fake news.

**** I need some breaking news.

Neapolitan 05-06-2018 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947427)
whitey has killed a ****ton more muzzies than the other way around

assuming we're talking about recent history

You had to make that stipulation cause you know if you go back in history, it will prove you wrong.

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 08:07 PM

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whitey has killed a ****ton more muzzies than the other way around
Good

Let’s reopen the inquisition

This time without the ****ing questions

DwnWthVwls 05-06-2018 08:26 PM

Okay, so take out the gangbanger individual and replace it with crime statistics of black americans.. you'll use the same excuse. White people didnt dominate brutally over others, the people in charge did, who just so happened to be white.. That's not a race thing. In other words, white people are not part of the oppression problem and black people are not part of the crime problem.. the problem is the system. You sound like a racebaiter.

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947463)
because we're talking about racial oppression and not individual crime

one race in this has in history dominated pretty brutally over others, just the fact of the matter

**** yeah!

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1947470)
Okay, so take out the gangbanger individual and replace it with crime statistics of black americans.. you'll use the same excuse. White people didnt dominate brutally over others, the people in charge did who just so happened to be white.. That's not a race thing.

White = Bad
Non-White = Sad

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1947470)
Okay, so take out the gangbanger individual and replace it with crime statistics of black americans.. you'll use the same excuse. White people didnt dominate brutally over others, the people in charge did, who just so happened to be white.. That's not a race thing. In other words, white people are not part of the oppression problem and black people are not part of the crime problem.. the problem is the system. You sound like a racebaiter.


DwnWthVwls 05-06-2018 08:33 PM

quote my corrected edit or gtfo

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947485)
you choose to read it this way as do most reactionaries when faced with a truth that shouldn't even be controversial



Just so happened? The most dominate world empires did just so happen to arise out of Europe, but the leaders were white because... the people were white

until relatively recent history even the most destitute white was just glad he didn't have dark skin (still holds true in some parts of the US)

Why are you so chicken**** to call other groups out?

Neapolitan 05-06-2018 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947463)
because we're talking about racial oppression and not individual crime

two ideologies in this has in history dominated pretty brutally over others, just the fact of the matter

yeah communism and islam* and you always make yourself out to be the fan of both. (*both the arabic expansion and islamic extremism)

OccultHawk 05-06-2018 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947502)
I tend to side with the oppressed and not the oppressor

In other words, truth is irrelevant.

Neapolitan 05-07-2018 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947500)
when have I expressed myself a fan of Islamic extremism

that's some intense dishonesty

When you call someone who points to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi for inciting Islamic terrorism a "bigot." You could either agree, or disagree with a supporting argument why Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi doesn't incite violence. Micmicing countless other libtards calling someone who talks facts a "bigot" is intellectual atrophy.

Chula Vista 05-07-2018 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan;1947516L
Libtards.

Donald Trump is president of the U.S.A.

Donald Trump is president of the U.S.A.

And you are continuing the stupid party line that liberals are retarded?

Precious. Simply precious.

DwnWthVwls 05-07-2018 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947485)
you choose to read it this way as do most reactionaries when faced with a truth that shouldn't even be controversial



Just so happened? The most dominate world empires did just so happen to arise out of Europe, but the leaders were white because... the people were white

until relatively recent history even the most destitute white was just glad he didn't have dark skin (still holds true in some parts of the US)

It's not reactionary, I genuinely do not understand your logic and so far it seems bias and disingenuous.

I'm not talking historically, im talking modern day society.. what white people did in the past to get us to where we are today has nothing to do with the conversation.

Can you please give me an example of a system in America that oppresses black people that ONLY white people participate in? Show me a voting statistic of white people passing legislation where 0 minorities agreed? Anything? There is no doubt that white people still have more opportunities in society, but to sit here and claim that the group as a whole is still actively oppressing minorities across the board is ignorant. There are certainly microcosms where this is true, but generally speaking it sounds fallacious.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947520)
because the context was such that you equated an extremist with Muslims as a whole and followed a series of such misrepresentations

Kind of like how you use white extremism to push your idea that whites as a whole are oppressors... hmmm

Double standards?

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947502)
I tend to side with the oppressed and not the oppressor

That's your problem. This isn't about taking sides, it's about objective reasoning. You form an opinion and then find evidence to support it.. Keep painting targets around that arrow of yours, see how close it gets you to reality.

OccultHawk 05-07-2018 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947521)
alright Redpill

https://i.imgflip.com/1eefje.jpg

The Batlord 05-07-2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947659)
it's not an idea it's the fact of the matter, and it's not a minority of extremists, it's just the way white civilization has been

It's the way all civilizations are. I don't feel any "white shame" because I know black people would've done the same things to me if the roles were reversed. No lives matter indeed.

Trollheart 05-07-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947659)
what would this prove, you could find slaves that agreed with their condition



Um, are you ****ing serious here??? :yikes: :banghead:

DwnWthVwls 05-07-2018 12:48 PM

Im at work so ill keep this short for now.

Do you mean to tell me some people aid in their own oppression? What a crazy idea!! lul

OccultHawk 05-07-2018 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1947673)
Um, are you ****ing serious here??? :yikes: :banghead:

elph is absolutely right about that

The psychology behind that is one of the most important things to understand

It’s a survival mechanism for one thing.

Trollheart 05-07-2018 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1947707)
elph is absolutely right about that

The psychology behind that is one of the most important things to understand

It’s a survival mechanism for one thing.

You're telling me some people are happy to be slaves? I can't believe that. I can believe being conditioned into being made to believe there's no alternative - look at all the Jews who walked meekly to their deaths in pits that became mass graves in WW II - but actually like it? Nah. You're going to have to do a lot more to convince me anyone can like being a slave, other than in a sexually kinky way.

Frownland 05-07-2018 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1947712)
You're telling me some people are happy to be slaves? I can't believe that. I can believe being conditioned into being made to believe there's no alternative - look at all the Jews who walked meekly to their deaths in pits that became mass graves in WW II - but actually like it? Nah. You're going to have to do a lot more to convince me anyone can like being a slave, other than in a sexually kinky way.

Have you ever heard of Stockholm syndrome? The mind is a strange thing that doesn't operate in obvious ways.

OccultHawk 05-07-2018 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1947665)
It's the way all civilizations are. I don't feel any "white shame" because I know black people would've done the same things to me if the roles were reversed. No lives matter indeed.

I had a smart and really rebellious black kid in class who made that point really eloquently. When the other black kids gave him **** he rolled off a litany of terrible **** he had personally seen black people do. And then he got philosophical saying it’s just how people are. This is a kid who at 13 had paid for his Jordans, all his clothes, his cell, his food, all that **** selling weed.

Think about how badass that is. I ****ing loved that kid. He was one of the rare kids that listened when I spoke about power dynamics and income disparity. He was very interested in how rich people rig the game.

Trollheart 05-07-2018 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1947713)
Have you ever heard of Stockholm syndrome? The mind is a strange thing that doesn't operate in obvious ways.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1947712)
You're telling me some people are happy to be slaves? I can't believe that. I can believe being conditioned into being made to believe there's no alternative - look at all the Jews who walked meekly to their deaths in pits that became mass graves in WW II - but actually like it? Nah. You're going to have to do a lot more to convince me anyone can like being a slave, other than in a sexually kinky way.

But that's more for one person or a group of people - hostages, Patty Hearst, that kind of thing. Elph is talking - so far as I can see - about a whole population of slaves, although maybe I got that wrong. He can confirm. Stockholm Syndrome was never gonna make cotton picking on the plantation seem like a good idea, or the gas showers as an ok way to go.

Frownland 05-07-2018 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1947727)
But that's more for one person or a group of people - hostages, Patty Hearst, that kind of thing. Elph is talking - so far as I can see - about a whole population of slaves, although maybe I got that wrong.

You got it wrong. People cooperating with their oppression through complacency is not the same as a group homogeneously diving into mass graves.

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Stockholm Syndrome was never gonna make cotton picking on the plantation seem like a good idea, or the gas showers as an ok way to go.
Especially if they grew up in it, a slave could easily see their circumstances as being safer than their alternatives. The brain is weird as **** and most of the time it can be ****ing retarded.

Trollheart 05-07-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1947730)
You got it wrong. People cooperating with their oppression through complacency is not the same as a group homogeneously diving into mass graves.



Especially if they grew up in it, a slave could easily see their circumstances as being safer than their alternatives. The brain is weird as **** and most of the time it can be ****ing retarded.

Yeah, good points.

OccultHawk 05-07-2018 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1947712)
You're telling me some people are happy to be slaves? I can't believe that. I can believe being conditioned into being made to believe there's no alternative - look at all the Jews who walked meekly to their deaths in pits that became mass graves in WW II - but actually like it? Nah. You're going to have to do a lot more to convince me anyone can like being a slave, other than in a sexually kinky way.

With slavery you have to keep in mind how much of their identity is wrapped up in being a slave. Hopefully, a person could see their worth as a human outside of their role in the institution of slavery but imagine a person born into bondage, never educated, no hint at another existence at all. To a person of a certain psychological disposition to say they didn’t like being a slave was tantamount to the untenable position that they didn’t want to exist at all. Furthermore, although incorrect it would be easy to see opposition to slavery as opposition to everything she is. So her coping mechanism might seem unimaginable until you dig deeper into how it was formed.

OccultHawk 05-07-2018 01:28 PM

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Especially if they grew up in it, a slave could easily see their circumstances as being safer than their alternatives.
In parts of Alabama, for example, after the importing of slaves was banned, it was illegal for any free black person to even visit. It’s very easy to imagine how someone who never knew anything else even existed would come to that conclusion.

They were definitely taught freedom equaled death.

DwnWthVwls 05-07-2018 02:09 PM

I dont disagree with any of this but to quote Frown "false equivalency" comparing modern black people to their slave ancestors. Elph is just stubborn and silly.

All you have to do to prove me wrong is show some evidence that white people as a whole are working together to oppress all other races and my mind is changed, but ofc you cant because its a bull**** position. You completely ignore the nuance and multitude of factors that go into it. Stay woke Elph, id never ask you to change.

The Batlord 05-07-2018 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1947840)
not all civilizations

however if Western European descent happened to produce black skin then yeah there'd have been a reversal

Maybe there are a few weird civilizations in history but the human race takes as much advantage of who and what they can take advantage of as they can get away with. White people are as garbage as black people are.

OccultHawk 05-07-2018 03:44 PM

Garbage straight up garbage learn about yourself learn your culture read a book or something

-public enemy


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