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The Batlord 05-10-2018 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1949263)
I don't.

Oh how the tables have turned. How's it feel ***got?@!

Frownland 05-10-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1949266)
Oh how the tables have turned. How's it feel ***got?@!

It feels like I probably missed some lame gaming reference.

grindy 05-10-2018 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1949265)
True.

It's like the conversation is always about how white people are **** - and historical records will confirm if you broadbrush - but I don't know... Am I asking to be given credit for the small mercies? Honestly, I don't even really think of myself as part of "white people" as a group. I think of myself as a citizen of planet Earth and as a male first and foremost, I guess?

Not sure this reply makes sense, but the dots connected in my mind.

This whole white vs. non-white people thing is more of an American neurosis.
Can and should seem weird to an European.

The Batlord 05-10-2018 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1949270)
It feels like I probably missed some lame gaming reference.

Inferno (Dante)

Frownland 05-10-2018 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1949274)

[wall of text about why that's not funny]

Cuthbert 05-10-2018 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1949273)
This whole white vs. non-white people thing is more of an American neurosis.
Can and should seem weird to an European.

It does.

I said it before. The Americans seem obsessed with race.

The Batlord 05-10-2018 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1949277)
[wall of text about why that's not funny]

I see you don't like spinning tables.

OccultHawk 05-10-2018 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1949279)
It does.

I said it before. The Americans seem obsessed with race.

How many black queens have y’all had?

Frownland 05-10-2018 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1949279)
It does.

I said it before. The Americans seem obsessed with race.

Americans finna woke

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1949280)
I see you don't like spinning tables.

I thought it was a poorly executed nein joke.

grindy 05-10-2018 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1949279)
It does.

I said it before. The Americans seem obsessed with race.

Too bad that silly **** keeps getting over the pond.

Cuthbert 05-10-2018 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1949285)
Too bad that silly **** keeps getting over the pond.

Agreed mate.

MicShazam 05-10-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1949285)
Too bad that silly **** keeps getting over the pond.

That's the thing. I watch all sorts of Youtube videos made from an American perspective. Then I look outside then window (so to speak) and it's calm and there's no drama of that sort. We've got a rather large population segment of middle eastern people, but no terror and very little strife in general.

Of course we don't have that prickly issue with slavery and such. I think it's really quite understandable that there's a lot of unrest in the US. Slavery, Jim Crow, police shootings of black citizens... completely unlike what's going on where I live - both currently and in terms of the last couple hundred years of history.

I read and watch so much that's from an American perspective, but I keep having to adjust it to what my world looks like.

The Batlord 05-10-2018 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1949285)
Too bad that silly **** keeps getting over the pond.

We keep missing the toilet.

Cuthbert 05-10-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1949288)
That's the thing. I watch all sorts of Youtube videos made from an American perspective. Then I look outside then window (so to speak) and it's calm and there's no drama of that sort. We've got a rather large population segment of middle eastern people, but no terror and very little strife in general.

Of course we don't have that prickly issue with slavery and such. I think it's really quite understandable that there's a lot of unrest in the US. Slavery, Jim Crow, police shootings of black citizens... completely unlike what's going on where I live - both currently and in terms of the last couple hundred years of history.

I read and watch so much that's from an American perspective, but I keep having to adjust it to what my world looks like.

Doesn't matter if it's not going on where you live, you're white so you are to blame.

MicShazam 05-10-2018 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1949299)
Doesn't matter if it's not going on where you live, you're white so you are to blame.

Every morning, I make sure to put toothpaste in my eyes and use the nail clipper to pinch my balls, so I think I deserve to live. I still need to get better at feeling shameful and inexcusable every waking hour though.

Black Francis 05-10-2018 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1949273)
This whole white vs. non-white people thing is more of an American neurosis.
Can and should seem weird to an European.

And to Puertoricans like me that don't live in the US. And it's sick to an extent that over here we almost want to adopt this problem and many others for example, when school shootings became a thing over there the news here ran a piece that some schools here are gonna be doing seminars to prevent that kinda thing which just doesn't happen here, Oh but it could happen here. There's a possibility. Be afraid.

I saw that piece and it angered me that sht might become a self fulfilling prophecy here. Same with this Race thing. Though here im still not directly affected by it im still wary its gonna get us too cause it's a big chunk of the american media we consume over here.

The Batlord 05-10-2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1949304)
And to Puertoricans like me that don't live in the US. And it's sick to an extent that over here we almost want to adopt this problem and many others for example, when school shootings became a thing over there the news here ran a piece that some schools here are gonna be doing seminars to prevent that kinda thing which just doesn't happen here, Oh but it could happen here. There's a possibility. Be afraid.

I saw that piece and it angered me that sht might become a self fulfilling prophecy here. Same with this Race thing. Though here im still not directly affected by it im still wary its gonna get us too cause it's a big chunk of the american media we consume over here.

Why don't you brownies just vote for independence? I've never understood that. We don't care about you and as far as I know you don't care about us. Why are our countries even linked? We took you as booty from Spain and there's literally no other reason why you are still our booty.

Trollheart 05-10-2018 07:31 PM

Hey, ya gotta have booty, nomsayin? ;)
Franco would agree.

Neapolitan 05-10-2018 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1949258)
Way more white people probably fought for slaves and segregation than fought against it though.

The South had Generals. The North had soldiers. They outnumbered the Confederates two to one.

The Batlord 05-10-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1949378)
The South had Generals. The North had soldiers. They outnumbered the Confederates two to one.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

OccultHawk 05-10-2018 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1949382)
What does that have to do with anything I said?

You said that more honkeys fought for slavery. The union army, which was fighting against slavery, outnumbered the confederate army 2:1.

Sorry to directly repeat it but what the hell dont you understand about that?

OccultHawk 05-10-2018 09:50 PM

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rural racists
You’re such an elitist ****. Like the cities aren’t saturated with racism.

Lucem Ferre 05-10-2018 10:04 PM

America's fixation with race comes from it's deep rooted history of racism that it fails to truly ever acknowledge and tries to sweep under the rug while the long term effects of it are still prevalent today.

Not only does our education system do a half assed summary of our racist history, but any time it's brought up or even current discrimination gets brought up people construe it as an attack on white people.

The biggest reason we have such a huge divide in the US is because everybody wants to talk but nobody really wants to shut the **** up and listen to each other. That's why I can't bring up discrimination against minorities with out being accused of 'white shaming'. Or why somebody can't be anti-immigration with out being accused of being a racist. That's why Donald Trump won. We're a country of loud mouthed and arrogant ignorant twats that thrive off of narcissism and spite. He's the perfect representative for us.

grindy 05-10-2018 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1949393)
You’re such an elitist ****. Like the cities aren’t saturated with racism.

Non-white person exhibits ****ty, backwards worldview.
Elph: Those are a minority, plus there are tons of reasons why they are this way and it's not even really their fault.
White person exhibits ****ty, backwards worldview.
Elph: ****ingwhitepeopleracistredneckscum!!!!!111

Nameless 05-11-2018 12:53 AM

Down with the white menace, changing lanes in our roads without using turn signals, overcooking our turkeys, making stupid posts on our internets.

MicShazam 05-11-2018 01:00 AM


OccultHawk 05-11-2018 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1949410)
we were talking about Iran right?

it might do well to consider that the US overthrew the Iranian gov in the 50's when the head of state declared he would make the oil wealth public

a US backed dictator was imposed on the people of Iran leading to the Islamic revolution and the strengthening of theocracy with a rejection of Western values

1) Seriously? That’s why they’re stringing up gays?
2) You’re openly confessing you think western values are superior

Cuthbert 05-11-2018 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1949405)
Non-white person exhibits ****ty, backwards worldview.
Elph: Those are a minority, plus there are tons of reasons why they are this way and it's not even really their fault.
White person exhibits ****ty, backwards worldview.
Elph: ****ingwhitepeopleracistredneckscum!!!!!111

:D

It's actually true and its quite bad if you think about it.

OccultHawk 05-11-2018 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1949453)
:D

It's actually true and its quite bad if you think about it.

I don’t have proof but I feel like I was the first to say it.

#Occult2018 MOTY

grindy 05-11-2018 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1949453)
:D

It's actually true and its quite bad if you think about it.

Dude's racist in so many ways.

OccultHawk 05-11-2018 07:02 AM

https://www.memecreator.org/static/i...es/3772892.jpg

Trollheart 05-11-2018 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1949457)
Dude's racist in so many ways.

Ah leave Dude111 alone. He's not racist.

DwnWthVwls 05-11-2018 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1949395)
America's fixation with race comes from it's deep rooted history of racism that it fails to truly ever acknowledge and tries to sweep under the rug while the long term effects of it are still prevalent today.

Not only does our education system do a half assed summary of our racist history, but any time it's brought up or even current discrimination gets brought up people construe it as an attack on white people.

Curious what you think America could do to "truly acknowledge" it's racist history. Last time I checked there were no slavery deniers like you have with the holocaust. Black history month is a thing (even though it's stupid), affirmative action exists, etc.. People are still alive from the time when there was segregation between the races. From what I've seen we have consistently taken steps forward to progress race relations in this country. Expecting some miracle fix in such a short period of time is unrealistic. Also, history does a half ass job presenting our ENTIRE history, not just our racist history. You don't learn alt history until college, which I agree is a problem, but not just because it doesn't cover race issues. I fail to see the point in dredging up the past unless you use it to say, "this worked" or "this was an effective strategy" or "this had a terrible outcome". The past is in the past and does nothing to solve modern issues when taken out of context. History is a tool we learn from, not something you use to point fingers, unless you're agenda is to guilt people into getting what you want instead of actually resolving issues.

I have no anecdotal experience of people taking criticism and turning it into an attack on white people. I only see that kind of thing with radical twitter/internet morons that pervert the meaning of movements like "Black Lives Matter" to fit their own agenda.

I've seen you respond pretty reasonably in the past, hoping you can put some more consideration into my position than Elph.

Frownland 05-11-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1949579)
Curious what you think America could do to "truly acknowledge" it's racist history.

Make people more aware of our history of slavery and racism, what led to it, how it lingered, and small ways that we can be unconsciously contributing to racism. Encouraging diversity to reduce implicit biases.

It can also be acknowledged and addressed by trying to end America's culture war that's seeping into virtually every issue. Promote high standards of logic and critical thinking. Reduce identity politics, thwart anti-intellectual trends. Try to point people towards healthy discussion so that they actually listen to each other instead of viewing anything that they disagree with or makes them uncomfortable as a personal attack. We need more woke mother****ers.

I guess I'm being unrealistic though.

DwnWthVwls 05-11-2018 11:22 AM

Id like all that too.

Cuthbert 05-11-2018 11:30 AM

No chance of it stopping.

grindy 05-11-2018 11:31 AM

Just kill everyone.

Frownland 05-11-2018 11:32 AM

Step 1: Recognize that you are scum. Know that the likelihood of you being a ****ing idiot is 100%.
Step 2: Try not to be an idiot or scum by ignoring your dumbass instincts.
Step 3: Profit.

OccultHawk 05-11-2018 12:09 PM

I do believe that the basic American history K-12 curriculum is written from a white supremacist perspective. Patriotism is white supremacy.

I also often hear how civics isn’t being taught.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your perspective not much else is being taught either. Civics is on the docket just like math and science.

The kids who know the most about the horrors of slavery and the injustices of tyranny are the same kids who can read. And the kids who can read can read because they do read. Those kids are mostly white or first generation minorities.

Not all, but most black kids don’t know anything about any kind of history, red or yellow black and white.

Janszoon 05-11-2018 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1949579)
Last time I checked there were no slavery deniers like you have with the holocaust.

We do have those people. They're not deniers in the sense that they say slavery never happened but they're deniers in the sense that they downplay how horrible and brutal it was.


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