Hong Kong and China

Oriphiel · 06-25-2019, 06:02 PM

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lulzzz what would poor little ol China do then?

The same thing that they did when a regiment of Manchurians walked right into the capital and completely conquered them for almost three hundred years.

China has a history of underestimating smaller forces, and getting completely blitzed. I mean for ****s sake, a ragtag group of starving commies managed to **** all over the well armed and foreign backed federalists, and sent them running off to Taiwan like little bitches.

A UK/Hong Kong tag team would John Woo those mother****ers right into the next century.

DMBFFF · 07-01-2019, 12:15 AM

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The people are already rioting over any small bill that would even only theoretically give the mainland more leverage.
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Haven't they abducted some already?

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China has cameras all over the place and spies on everyone but so does London.
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One's a country, one's a city; and the latter's more likely concerned about real crime.

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Oh wow they get to vote. Big ****ing deal. Beijing and Shanghai are better places to live. For sure Shanghai blows the **** out of Miami and Jacksonville.

What of other US cities?

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Do you really think Hong Kong has a darker future than Virginia?

Yup.

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Who’s more likely to get shot in the streets an American or a Chinese person?

Hard to say as the reds might be cooking the stats, and aren't they into stabbing?

Moreover, the murder rate in the US is likely < 6/100 000: a multiple of China's, but likely pretty low.

What it looks like to me:

1. UK's out of the picture. They made a decent deal given the circumstances. They leased it in, what?, 1899?, for 99 years, from a long gone mostly unmissed emperor. The jig was coming up in 1998, and in, what?, 1984?, worked out a deal for 50 years. Economics helped. It might help again with Trump and perhaps more so the corruption inherit under likely increased corruption under Xi. The time for the commies to mess up HK is not now. But Hong Kong will slowly become Communist before 2047. Time to emigrate.

2. Taiwan is standing firm. I wonder if it has nukes: such would be good aces.

3. If China gets aggressive, it's neighbours might react, including Japan by increasing military size.

Oriphiel · 08-15-2019, 03:50 AM

*cough*

elphenor · 08-15-2019, 09:42 AM

alongside the old Soviet Union, China has had the fastest growing economy the world has ever known

elphenor · 08-15-2019, 09:48 AM

it's also not Communist nor does it claim to be

the Communist Party is named as such in reference to the supposed end goal

jwb · 08-15-2019, 11:29 AM

They stopped trying to be communist after millions of people starved to death.

elphenor · 08-15-2019, 12:23 PM

China is competitive today partially because of that move

ofc it still qualifies as an atrocity

but both the socialist countries feared they'd be dominated if they didn't rapidly industrialize, don't think it was ultimately much about communism at all

Mao was particularly focused on imperialism

jwb · 08-15-2019, 12:41 PM

Actually the great leap forward is typically considered not only an atrocity but a massive failure. The economy shrank. Only very modest progress was made in terms of industrializing compared to the massive hit it caused on agriculture which obviously brought the famines.

Marx's communist Utopia was always supposed to take place in an industrialized society. In fact, it was supposed to come about as the result of industrialization. So I think there was certainly an idealogical component at play.

In the case of the Soviets I know for a fact Russian Marxists had long since tried and failed to radicalize the rural peasants, and saw an industrial society with a strong proletariat class as essential to carrying out their vision of creating a successful communist society.

elphenor · 08-15-2019, 12:46 PM

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Marx's communist Utopia was always supposed to take place in an industrialized society. In fact, it was supposed to come about as the result of industrialization.

it was supposed to take place in an already industrialized late-stage capitalist Western European country

and while the Great Leap Forward didn't succeed, it did change the course of China

I guess we'll never know, but I'm not convinced that if instead the more capitalist Republic party would have won out over Mao, that China would have been able to compete with the West

jwb · 08-15-2019, 12:51 PM

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it was supposed to take place in an already industrialized late-stage capitalist Western European country

and while the Great Leap Forward didn't succeed, it did change the course of China

I guess we'll never know, but I'm not convinced that if instead the more democratic capitalist party would have won out over Mao, that China would have been able to compete with the West

the best thing it did for them was to convince them to ditch collectivisation and go with the global capitalist market.

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jwb Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 2,285	Actually the great leap forward is typically considered not only an atrocity but a massive failure. The economy shrank. Only very modest progress was made in terms of industrializing compared to the massive hit it caused on agriculture which obviously brought the famines. Marx's communist Utopia was always supposed to take place in an industrialized society. In fact, it was supposed to come about as the result of industrialization. So I think there was certainly an idealogical component at play. In the case of the Soviets I know for a fact Russian Marxists had long since tried and failed to radicalize the rural peasants, and saw an industrial society with a strong proletariat class as essential to carrying out their vision of creating a successful communist society.