2020 US Election Thread

[grindy]

Yeah, Mic was great. I miss him.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Yes, Neapolitan, politicians will always blame the previous admin for their own woes, and I'm sure that in some cases there is some justification, especially in the first year or so of a term because changes don't take effect overnight. There's also often a wobble in the stock market when there is a change of leader,

Not a directionless "wobble" but a specific direction. Stocks went down with the announcement of B.O. (for that day) and stocks rallied for D.J. Trump. That was how it was reported at the time. The news made the correlation. Perhaps W.S. reacted that way due to fear of what the economy would do under B.O. or conversely positive expectations of a strong economy under D.J. Trump. In all honesty there could be other reasons too, other economic factors but that how the news reported it. (In my own opinion W.S. shouldn't react emotionally, or be driven by hypothetical speculations. But they do.)

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Maybe, but instead of being clearly focused and leading to solutions, his concern is like this:-


What is Trump's problem with windows and air conditioning? What are his solutions to these pressing issues?

"That basically means no windows, no nothing. It's very hard to do. I tell people when they want to go into some of these buildings, how are your eyes because they won't be good in five years."

He isn't advocating no windows, he warning against having no windows. You can easily deduce with no windows there would only be artificial lighting. And I take from it that Trump believes that artificial lighting will have an ill effect on people's eyesight in five years time.

[The Batlord]

The recession hit under Bush and started recovering under Obama, you ****ing dunce.

[Lisnaholic]

I'm not sure why you're so focused on a one-day wobble, Neapolitan, when the graph I posted showed the overall trend of one famous stock-market indicator. Big picture, the day you're talking about isn't significant:-



As for the "windows" comment, I only posted it in haste to counterbalance a run of posts that suggested Biden was too senile to debate, or express himself. I just wanted to show that Trump was equally capable of talking nonsense.

Your quote from Biden about hairy legs was very funny and I wouldn't tie myself in knots trying to defend it. I'm not sure that Trump's ill-expressed anxiety about eyesight in five years time is worth defending either, tbh.

[SGR]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

As for the "windows" comment, I only posted it in haste to counterbalance a run of posts that suggested Biden was too senile to debate, or express himself. I just wanted to show that Trump was equally capable of talking nonsense.

I think that Nancy Pelosi coming out and suggesting Biden shouldn't debate (along with others in media doing the same) is actually really good for Biden. They are setting up our expectations for Biden to be quite low. If Biden debates, and manages to avoid any major gaffes or brain-meltdowns, the narrative afterwards will essentially be that Biden did well and exceeded all expectations (and that Trump looked petty trying to score cheap points at the expense of Biden - they'll paint him as a malevolent bully)

I don't know if that's what will happen in reality though. He did good against Bernie, but Trump might be a different thing entirely. Bernie is not a master of provocation like Trump is - we'll see how Biden handles it. If his campaign is smart, all his time in the basement has been spent preparing him for battle with Trump.

[jwb]

Not defending neo the aspie but to the same extent people say Trump's good economy had nothing to do with Trump... Obama's recovery had nothing to do with Obama

The stimulus measures he used at the time were bipartisan and largely established prior to the election as the route either candidate was bound to take.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

Not defending neo the aspie but to the same extent people say Trump's good economy had nothing to do with Trump... Obama's recovery had nothing to do with Obama

The stimulus measures he used at the time were bipartisan and largely established prior to the election as the route either candidate was bound to take.

Yes but his timeline still needs to be mocked for being dumb.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

presidents seem to have very little effect on the boom bust cycles of capitalism

Pretty much. It's ironic since the economy is one of the biggest driving factors in how am incumbent is rated but the president usually has very little input on the general state of the economy.

The exceptions are ways in which the president can **** the economy up through disastrous policy. E.G. Clinton getting rid of banking regulations that contributed to the 2008 crisis or Trump's failed management of the Coronavirus.

Inevitably, when the pandemic is over we're going to see a bounce back in the economy in terms of job growth (since millions of jobs have been lost) and inevitably whoever is in office will tout this " record job growth" as some sort of personal achievement.

[OccultHawk]

FYI:

If the dust hasn't settled in the race for president by January 20, the date set by the Constitution for Inauguration, then the 20th Amendment says the vice president elect serves as acting president until a president is chosen. If no vice president has been designated by then, the 20th Amendment provides that Congress determines how an acting president is selected.

The Presidential Succession Act provides that the Speaker of the House is next in line, followed by the President Pro Tempore of the Senate. Here, imagine if Democrats retain control of Congress but know that a vote by state delegation would mean a Trump presidency. The Democratic Speaker and her caucus might play hardball and intentionally delay relevant votes to force the Speaker's succession to the presidency.

-CNN


I bet Pelosi’s pussy is sopping wet.

[The Batlord]

I bet it's been dry as a bone for thirty years.