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jwb 11-15-2020 06:01 PM

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ando here 11-16-2020 10:57 PM

To this day I don't understand why Democrats are continually flummoxed by the intransigence of this President or his morally bankrupt enablers. It's a perverse pleasure of being shocked on a nearly daily basis by a man who was clearly a psychopath from day one (in my book) for four years. Today a pundit on one of the more progressive opinion networks wearily asked "When is he going to stop pretending not to accept the results of the election and let the transition proceed?!!" News Flash Folks: He's Not Pretending.

The Batlord 11-17-2020 12:26 AM

Yeah I'll never understand why people are surprised by dishonest politicians. It's almost like they think the old stereotypes about politicians were baseless jokes and not deadly serious condemnations about our entire political process until one particularly brazen liar happened to pop up and show us just how fetid our country always has been.

OccultHawk 11-17-2020 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ando here (Post 2144599)
To this day I don't understand why Democrats are continually flummoxed by the intransigence of this President or his morally bankrupt enablers. It's a perverse pleasure of being shocked on a nearly daily basis by a man who was clearly a psychopath from day one (in my book) for four years. Today a pundit on one of the more progressive opinion networks wearily asked "When is he going to stop pretending not to accept the results of the election and let the transition proceed?!!" News Flash Folks: He's Not Pretending.

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Lisnaholic 11-17-2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ando here (Post 2144599)
"When is he going to stop pretending not to accept the results of the election and let the transition proceed?!!" News Flash Folks: He's Not Pretending.

Yep, at least yesterday, when biden was asked about the implications of a delayed transition , he said, nice and simple, "More Americans will die."

Trump has consistently ignored the dangers of covid. His "task force" was a sham,and even before his whirlwind of super-spreader events, it was estimated that his admin could have caused about 100,000 unnecessary deaths.

If I'd been at one of the "Million MAGA March" demonstrations, I would've been selling the latest Trump merchandise: KOKA hats - Keep On Killing Americans.

OccultHawk 11-17-2020 08:05 AM

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ando here 11-17-2020 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2144636)

Tempting man, but when you see a state like South Dakota with a 60% infection rate and hear the stories of people in emergency rooms gasping for air and still denying Covid-19... there are no words.

Lucem Ferre 11-17-2020 01:17 PM

*gasp gasp* Covid isn't real! *gasp gasp* You are being mislead! *gasp gasp* Don't be a sheep! *gasp gasp*

Psy-Fi 11-17-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ando here (Post 2144679)
Tempting man, but when you see a state like South Dakota with a 60% infection rate and hear the stories of people in emergency rooms gasping for air and still denying Covid-19... there are no words.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2144683)
*gasp gasp* Covid isn't real! *gasp gasp* You are being mislead! *gasp gasp* Don't be a sheep! *gasp gasp*

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OccultHawk 11-19-2020 05:32 AM

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Donald Trump has built his presidency on top of racial dog whistles, xenophobic rhetoric, and anti-immigrant policies. A core belief among liberals was that this strategy would help Trump with whites but almost certainly hurt him with Latinos, and people of color more broadly. Then the opposite happened: In 2020, Trump gained considerable support among voters of color, particularly Latinos, relative to the 2016 election.
What happened?
Ian Haney López is a legal scholar at UC Berkeley and the author of Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class. In 2017, he partnered with the leftist think tank Demos and various polling groups to better understand the effectiveness of racial dog whistles and how Democrats could combat them. The results were sobering, even to the experts who commissioned the polls. As Haney López documented in his 2019 book Merge Left: Fusing Race and Class, Winning Elections, and Saving America, 60 percent of Latinos and 54 percent of African Americans have found Trumpian dog-whistle messages convincing, right in step with the 61 percent of whites who did.
This conversation is about the complicated reality of racial politics in America. It’s about the fact that the electorate isn’t divided into racists and non-racists — most voters, including Trump supporters, toggle back and forth between racially reactionary and racially egalitarian views — and a more robust theory of how race operates in American politics that follows. And it’s about the kinds of race- and class-conscious messages that Haney López’s research suggests work best with voters of all backgrounds.
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Anteater 11-19-2020 07:05 AM

You mean repeatedly lambasting 70+ million people as racist for the last four years and then screaming "Defund The Police" didn't achieve the ideal electoral outcome? #Mindblown

OccultHawk 11-19-2020 07:27 AM

If all 70 million Trump voters aren’t racist then 69,999,999 are. He started on Birtherism, moved to bad hombre rapists, and finished with the kung flu.

What I’ve said before and I don’t think a lot of people believe me is nobody hates black people more than other black people. Same with other races. If it weren’t for corona’s ageism Trump would’ve won again. Betting on white supremacy in America is a good bet. Well **** Biden is racist as a mother****er.

Sam Harris says it’s just crazy to think 70 million Trump voters aren’t racist but he literally can’t see a racist when one is staring at him in the mirror.

Psy-Fi 11-19-2020 07:58 AM


Lisnaholic 11-19-2020 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2144848)
He started on Birtherism, moved to bad hombre rapists, and finished with the kung flu.

Yep, he has a terrible record of racist remarks: I remember feeling angry about these comments too:
i) a judge's opinion doubted because of his Latino roots
ii) wife in a Gold Star family ridiculed for not commenting while her husband spoke publicly
iii) appalling joke about Pocahontas in front of Native American WWII vets

Regarding Anteater's mention of "Defund The Police":To me, this was a very poorly-chosen slogan, and illustrates the dangers of reducing governance to tweets and electioneering to three-word chants.

The real issue of police funding, as I understand it, is about refunding and re-assigning police tasks. At present they are first responders to such a variety of emergencies, because there aren't on-call specialists to deal with mental-health and other situations that require more in-depth training to handle properly. I think the argument goes, "reduce police funding, and police responsibilities, and have more, better-trained experts who can provide a kind of para-police service, rather like para-medics do for doctors." Unfortunately, that's difficult to explain on a placard, let alone in a three-word chant.

Frownland 11-19-2020 08:22 AM

Not like it matters to the trump supporters demanding sainthood from the dnc, but "defund the police" was coined by activists and largely rejected by democratic politicians.

OccultHawk 11-19-2020 08:25 AM

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appalling joke about Pocahontas in front of Native American WWII vets
That’s a kind a 50/50 because Warren using false ancestry claims for professional advantage was racist af and condemned by tribal leaders.

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The real issue of police funding, as I understand it, is about refunding and re-assigning police tasks. At present they are first responders to such a variety of emergencies, because there aren't on-call specialists to deal with mental-health and other situations that require more in-depth training to handle properly. I think the argument goes, "reduce police funding, and police responsibilities, and have more, better-trained experts who can provide a kind of para-police service, rather like para-medics do for doctors."
That was the neoliberal redefining of it. In fact, the people who coined it meant what they said. They don’t want the police to exist in their communities. That’s why they were burning down police stations. They weren’t stuttering.

Also with changing CHAZ to CHOP. CHAZ meant autonomous. As in NOT A PART OF AMERICA. But then oh no it’s America just occupied. Booooo

Lisnaholic 11-19-2020 09:10 AM

@Frownland: yes, I did notice after I wrote it, that a big chunk of my grumble about "Defund The Police" as a slogan was like shooting an arrow at the wrong target. :(

@OH: As we both know, if the destination is anarchy, I'm always going to stop short and try to explain away anything approaching violence.

OccultHawk 11-19-2020 09:32 AM

I’d rather see working class police weaponized against the wealthy, personally.

Frownland 11-19-2020 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2144872)
@Frownland: yes, I did notice after I wrote it, that a big chunk of my grumble about "Defund The Police" as a slogan was like shooting an arrow at the wrong target. :(

No worries. I think a lot of talking points are designed to corralle us into that archer's position these days.

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@OH: As we both know, if the destination is anarchy, I'm always going to stop short and try to explain away anything approaching violence.
There would be violence with anarchism, but we arguably live under a system of monopolized violence that can be swiftly corrupted for insidious means. It's possible that introducing violence from above under the guise of peace creates an expectation of a certain level of violence to maintain stability and causes many to assume that any counter to the monopoly (maybe an oligopoly, same **** imo) is an introduction of even more violence.

I can't say for sure which way it would go tbh. Though I can anecdotally say that the least aggressive, most hospitable people I've ever met were in Slab City where there's no legal infrastructure and crime is resolved "in house". Those who get trouble are usually looking for it. Then I contrast that with the Karens living in ultra-protected police-favoured burbs trying to **** up people's lives and wonder how secure this security is.

adidasss 11-19-2020 10:33 PM



Wow.

The Batlord 11-20-2020 01:18 AM

Is that his human mask about to fall off?

adidasss 11-20-2020 01:44 AM

Someone else said "That's his lobotomy leakage". :laughing:

Marie Monday 11-20-2020 02:08 AM

Lmao, or maybe he washes his hair with the blood of his victims?

Gutmensch 11-20-2020 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2144848)
If all 70 million Trump voters aren’t racist then 69,999,999 are. He started on Birtherism, moved to bad hombre rapists, and finished with the kung flu.

What I’ve said before and I don’t think a lot of people believe me is nobody hates black people more than other black people. Same with other races. If it weren’t for corona’s ageism Trump would’ve won again. Betting on white supremacy in America is a good bet. Well **** Biden is racist as a mother****er.

Sam Harris says it’s just crazy to think 70 million Trump voters aren’t racist but he literally can’t see a racist when one is staring at him in the mirror.

I am racist too. Because I have white skin. Please forgive me.

I try to compensate my deep guilt.

By the way: This pseudoprogressive racism fetish is one reason why Trump came to power.

When I hear the paranoid quotes of some so-called "activists" against racism then I feel the Trump voter in me coming to life. :)

By the way II: Paranoia is a key aspect of all ideologies. No matter if left or right wing. You can do what you want: Ideologists read all facts in the world as a proof of their views. Even when these facts are completely the opposite.

OccultHawk 11-20-2020 05:12 AM

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I am racist too.
I respect that.

OccultHawk 11-20-2020 05:43 AM

Don't ignore Trump's election mischief. Take it seriously

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...-19/index.html

ftr I’m standing by my prediction that Trump will stay in power and Biden will never be officially sworn in or occupy the White House

this is one with a countdown to the truth - we’ll see what happens

The Batlord 11-20-2020 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gutmensch (Post 2145077)
i am racist too. Because i have white skin. Please forgive me.

I try to compensate my deep guilt.

By the way: This pseudoprogressive racism fetish is one reason why trump came to power.

When i hear the paranoid quotes of some so-called "activists" against racism then i feel the trump voter in me coming to life. :)

by the way ii: Paranoia is a key aspect of all ideologies. No matter if left or right wing. You can do what you want: Ideologists read all facts in the world as a proof of their views. Even when these facts are completely the opposite.

Q? i

Gutmensch 11-20-2020 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2145081)
I respect that.

I respect your irony dyslexia. :)

And your indignation to realize that the political left is brainwashed by political correctness. Which is the best support right wing populists can imagine.

I don't ignore real racism. But much of so-called and alleged racism is simply bullshid and an esoteric religion of do gooders.

OccultHawk 11-20-2020 06:49 AM

You’re a true intellectual maverick.

The Batlord 11-20-2020 06:52 AM

I'm assuming Q.

OccultHawk 11-20-2020 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2145089)
I'm assuming Q.

He’s definitely got me pegged.

Janszoon 11-20-2020 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2145063)


Wow.

I see your runny hair dye, and raise you bizarre snot smearing.


adidasss 11-20-2020 06:25 PM

JESUS CHRIST EWWWW. I could've gone without seeing that Jansz!

OccultHawk 11-20-2020 06:35 PM

The Turtle with black hands. Rudi bleeding some weird black ****.

The Republicans are getting aggressive about courting the black vote. That’s real commitment. Credit where it’s due.

adidasss 11-20-2020 09:25 PM

Trump makes futile last stand to overturn results as Georgia certifies Biden win

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Most experts have dismissed Trump’s efforts as political fantasy and probably unlawful. But they warn that an American president trying to reverse a free and fair election could poison millions of minds, conditioning his base to lose faith in democracy and regard Biden as an illegitimate president.
I won't lie, the more this drags out, the more concerned I get about the potential fallout, and the more angry I get at this horrific person and his toxic legacy.

But truth be told, we shouldn't be surprised, there are plenty of awful people in the world and a lot of them are country leaders and this will continue to happen because people are just awful which is why they continue to elect assholes into office. It's in our DNA. :/

OccultHawk 11-21-2020 04:28 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/gkryPxvS/02-F76...35-C7190-A.jpg

Not saying the necessarily means anything.

jwb 11-21-2020 07:16 AM

Doesn't mean anything imo. I've seen people actually try to say "well, technically it's not certified yet" but that's standard procedure. They have to certify by like Dec something. We never wait till Dec to say who the president elect is. Trumpers just grasping at straws.

jwb 11-21-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2145196)
Trump makes futile last stand to overturn results as Georgia certifies Biden win



I won't lie, the more this drags out, the more concerned I get about the potential fallout, and the more angry I get at this horrific person and his toxic legacy.

But truth be told, we shouldn't be surprised, there are plenty of awful people in the world and a lot of them are country leaders and this will continue to happen because people are just awful which is why they continue to elect assholes into office. It's in our DNA. :/

literally nobody who follows US politics is surprised imo. People have been saying Trump would do this for months. He openly revealed this strategy over the last couple months by talking about how the mail in ballots are gonna be fraudulent. For the supposed master negotiator he claims to be, Trump evidently has no poker face.

I'm concerned about his legacy too but truth be told I'm actually pleasantly surprised there hasn't been more violence in the street over this ****. That's the point we're at in this country.

adidasss 11-21-2020 09:42 AM

Agree on the lack of violence. Let's hope it stays that way.

Trollheart 11-21-2020 10:54 AM

C'mon, be honest now: did any of you grin just a little when you heard Hitler Jr sorry Donald Trump Jr had contracted the virus? ;)


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