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Anteater 09-28-2020 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2137295)
Would you support an amendment that said that everybody has to run as an independent?

That's be almost refreshing compared to what we are dealing with today. Does anybody really want to sit through another televised DNC or RNC event?

TheBig3 09-28-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2137294)
I'd be fine with the electoral college going away if it led to the proliferation of other parties besides some variation of red versus blue at every turn. Maybe that's what it would actually take.

I will never see the appeal of new labels.

jwb 09-28-2020 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2137285)
The only upshot to the popular vote is that it would force people to restructure in more major urban areas. Which is better for both society and the economy.

I'm tired of politicians throwing on a barn jacket, standing in front of a shut-down factory in Akron, and talking about bringing jobs back. The problem isn't policies. The problem is major factories only work in the suburbs if the rest of the globe is too nuked to function.

the other upshot being a closer approximation to democracy...

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2137294)
I'd be fine with the electoral college going away if it led to the proliferation of other parties besides some variation of red versus blue at every turn. Maybe that's what it would actually take.

most likely not. When I said they could be replaced by another party I meant just that... Two parties with one of them switched. Our style of government lends itself to two party rule.

TheBig3 09-28-2020 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2137299)
the other upshot being a closer approximation to democracy...

Is democracy good? The shaven apes that drive around this country in cars they don't need, eating food they largely waste, and screaming at televisions are given to emotional swings. You should have a few barries in the way to slow down those emotional knee-jerks.

The electoral college is supposed to give weight to geography, at a time where that mattered more. We didn't account for the shrinking of the nation. Direct democracy doesn't solve for that (imo).

jwb 09-28-2020 09:21 PM

Imo it was a sorta incentive (bribe) to get smaller states to join the union. Now that they're all in and we settled the whole "can a state secede?" question with the civil war, we don't need to keep bribing the hillfolk.

As for shaven apes etc.. That's an argument against democracy in general, not just our particular form of representative democracy. I will be honest and say i would defintely prefer a dictatorship as long as it were my kind of dictator... But that's the trouble with dictators.. It's always a massive gamble.

But as long as you are on board with our type of democracy, understand that the electoral college doesn't deprive the shaven apes of their power. It just favors the shaven apes from the country over the ones from the city. And rumor has it half the country apes aren't even quite shaved.

OccultHawk 09-28-2020 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2137302)
Is democracy good?

It is so impossible to get people to answer this question honestly.

Frownland 09-29-2020 04:09 AM

#notalldemocracy

OccultHawk 09-29-2020 04:20 AM

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the guiding principle of letting the People rule is virtuous by definition imo
**** that Thomas Jefferson We the People bull****.

You know who should rule? ****ing nobody.

OccultHawk 09-29-2020 04:41 AM

Goddamn people are obsessed with pretending they’re a part of something that could really happen.

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communist utopia
That’s a real option?

When you beat off do you only fantasize about people you’ve already ****ed?

OccultHawk 09-29-2020 05:25 AM

Or you kill a few billion people first

Only leave behind completely unambitious lazy ****s so we can collectively stop doing ****.


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